GramercyRiffs wrote:

Warren Barton cites the opening of new nightclubs and the development of new housing projects in Newcastle in the mid-nineties as a result of the positive vibe that Keegan brought to the city through football. Stop, please.

I watched that on Sky Sports News yesterday evening. I thought he was drunk.

What made me laugh was one of the interviews on NUFC's website. Some fella was on there having just hit the ticket office prior to the Stoke game and he was giving it "Ah've just bought thorteen tickets, like, and me 'n' the lads'll have a few drinks before the game and raise the roof at St. James' Park the neet, like. This is me forst game this season, like. The good times are back, y'kna".

If that's not a f**king glory hunter then I don't know what is...
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Mezz wrote:

If that's not a f**king glory hunter then I don't know what is...

Your average Chelsea fan?

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The "Messiah" indeed! lol.

Gavin Peacock says: "The game may have changed in certain ways but the characteristics that make up a winner never do, and he has them in abundance."

I might be missing something here, but since when was Kevin Keegan a winner?
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The Premiership is becoming an utter joke.

There's talk of a £3m fee for some League 1 player from Leeds.
£5m each  for Marlon King and James Mcfadden

How dare Wenger et al shop abroad

I was with you up until you mocked the (rumoured) £5M fee for McFadden.

He's a player with great technical ability, two good feet and an eye for goal but he needs a run of starts in order to get the best out of him which is something he's never had at Everton.

Give him a full season as a starter for Birmingham and £5M could easily look like an absolute steal.
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Liam wrote:

Gavin Peacock says: "The game may have changed in certain ways but the characteristics that make up a winner never do, and he has them in abundance." I might be missing something here, but since when was Kevin Keegan a winner?

Well, he did win the old First Division (as it was, what's now the Championship) with Manchester City in 2002.

If you mean at the top level, then you're looking at 30+ years ago - and to be fair, he did win rather a lot of things with Liverpool, although the other 10 players had something to do with that too...

He didn't actually win that much at Liverpool, a couple of leagues, an FA Cup and a European Cup - then he fooked off to Hamburg.

His major success at Newcastle last time was to finish second in a two horse race after the most spectacular collapse since Devon Loch.

On this basis, at United we can look forward to Dave Sexton replacing Fergoe when he finally goes.

3 League titles, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 FA Cup and 1 European Cup in six years isn't bad going, though...

And the handbags with Billy Bremner in 1974.

And falling off his bike on Superstars.

Quite the star really

Winning European Football of the Year twice hardly makes him a loser either.  And the twaddle about coming second in a two horse race ignores the fact that Keegan got them into the race in the first place.  When he took over Newcastle they were on the brink of the 3rd tier.  Their rise over the next 4 years was remarkable and achieved without the huge spending people usually assume.  The huge fees (on Shearer and lumps like Darren Peacock and Ferdinand) came after he'd already done the hard work of establishing Newcastle as a major European force.

What I like most about Keegan is that he's sufficiently confident in himself to talk utter twaddle in public.  Everybody who talks about football talks rubbish, but few are brave enough to talk anything but dismal cliche when you put them on telly.  Even people actually paid to talk about football (Shearer, Hansen, Lineker etc) make sure their every utterance is predictable, cliche-ridden and dull, dull, dull.

3 Cheers for the 3rd Coming I say.

Sir George wrote:

establishing Newcastle as a major European force.

Good to see you're still on form George!! Remind me how far this major European force ever got??

And regardless of how Sir Kev got Newcastle back towards the top of the Premiership, they never won it and finished second in 1996 in what was a two horse race (in fact it was a one horse race until Newcastle self-imploded) - not twaddle but fact, unlike the "major European force" crap that you came out with.

FACT - Keegan has never won anything of importance as a manager and never will - he'll walk within a year.

You're struggling a little with context Curva.  To decry Keegan's achievements as a manager on the grounds that "he won nothing" is just a little bit silly.  Very common of course, but silly.  Had he taken over Man Utd, Real Madrid or Rangers and been manager for 5 years without winning anyhing, the jibe would have meaning,  but he took over a club near the foot of the second tier and totally transformed that club by sheer force of his personality.  He did it in a unique style and his team played fantastic football.  He also played major roles in getting Fulham and Man City into the Premiership.  

That Keegan will walk out within a year isn't a "fact" Curva.  It's a pointless prediction dressed up as argument.  He may walk out and he may not.

As a manager at Fulham and, to a lesser extent, at Man City, Keegan succeded because he met, or in the case of Fulham exceeded, expectations - get them into the Premiership and stay there.

Newcastle is different - they expect to win trophies and getting them into, and staying in, the Premiership isn't enough - if it were then they wouldn't have gone through the number of managers they have in the recent past.

In his biggest two jobs as a manager, at Newcastle and at England, where he is expected to succeed, he failed to deliver and walked.

As a manager with the ability to get teams into the Premiership, then he is a success - it's just that he has never managed to take teams onto that next level and win anything that matters, and I don't believe he ever will.

And the European force you mentioned? When he was manager at Newcastle, the best they managed (pre-Shearer et al) was the second round of the UEFA Cup in 1994!

This whole Keegan thing is pissing me off, he should just do the right thing and resign.

The idea of the Geordie soul makes me laugh, and how each and everyone of them pours their hearts into the club they love. 15 years ago they were barely getting 13'000 at home. Ha.

Plus the one time I've been their fans made no noise at all, despite winning 3-1.
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diatribe wrote:

This whole Keegan thing is pissing me off, he should just do the right thing and resign. The idea of the Geordie soul makes me laugh, and how each and everyone of them pours their hearts into the club they love. 15 years ago they were barely getting 13'000 at home. Ha. Plus the one time I've been their fans made no noise at all, despite winning 3-1.

Newcastle United have absolutely plastic fans. Any sports journo or commentator churning out cliches to the contrary should be put down, as they are wasting perfectly good air. By contrast, Manchester United's average attendance during the 27 years they failed to win a championship was below 40,000 in only four seasons (one of which in 92/93 when they finally won the title again - reduced capacity due to Stretford End made all-seater). The season they were in Division 2 (74/5), average was 48.389.

All i can muster on the matter is that Im glad Harry had the common sense to turn down what is a poisoned challis of a job.

Makes me wonder if Keegan was the only person that was actually keen on taking the rains?
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What a completely sh*t game Chelsea v Liverpool is every season. Shame on me for watching it.

Well at least the Manchester derby provided marvellous entertainment and restored one's faith in human nature.  Congratulations to AIG for the achievement of getting their names on the mascots' shirts as well as replacing the names of the Munich dead on the advertising boards after kick off and also to the Man City fans for taking seriously the threat of 3 year bans for farting during the minute's silence.  Most of all congrats to Carlos Quieroz for the excllent comedy moment in blaming Buc's wee wee poor performance on Fabio Capello.

Anyway, it's a good job there isn't a global recession on the way, otherwise I'd be worried about the £42 million interest payment the Bucs have to pay each year......

Still bitter about Ridsdale pinning Leeds United to the floor and f**king the very soul out of you, eh George?
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