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Alter the setup of the forum (ie. number of minutes users are allowed to edit their posts, word sensors, alter users' permissions)

Last edited by Myles on 31-07-08 21:49; edited 4 times in total

Myles, two thoughts.

First, perhaps we should allow unlimited editing, rather than the 60 minutes? The reason I say this is that there have been instances when someone has been a little...er.... tired and emotional and has posted something they'd like to remove - or to at least edit to say 'sorry, everyone - no offence intended '.

Second - if we feel it necessary to remove a posting, can I suggest that we at least put a 'sorry, post removed because it contravenes rule...' in, so that people know why it's gone?

Actually, a third thought - How about a sticky thread 'By Order of the Management' laying out the rules? Probably advisible to make clear that anything libellous will go - but what else? The stupid C4 rule about not using asterisks to hide rude words no, but I assume that we're not going to let the 'You're all C***ts, so F*** off the Lot of You' thread (without the asterisks), very late of the C4 Parish make a reappearance here without at least editing the offending words.

Dave wrote:

Myles, two thoughts. First, perhaps we should allow unlimited editing, rather than the 60 minutes? The reason I say this is that there have been instances when someone has been a little...er.... tired and emotional and has posted something they'd like to remove - or to at least edit to say 'sorry, everyone - no offence intended '. Second - if we feel it necessary to remove a posting, can I suggest that we at least put a 'sorry, post removed because it contravenes rule...' in, so that people know why it's gone? Actually, a third thought - How about a sticky thread 'By Order of the Management' laying out the rules? Probably advisible to make clear that anything libellous will go - but what else? The stupid C4 rule about not using asterisks to hide rude words no, but I assume that we're not going to let the 'You're all C***ts, so F*** off the Lot of You' thread (without the asterisks), very late of the C4 Parish make a reappearance here without at least editing the offending words.

Initially i had it setup as unlimited but the problem with that is two people maybe having an argument and one person edits what they posted, to pretend that they never said something that they have said, thus leaving the other person who replied looking stupid and subsequently having to edit their posts and so on. Everyone will just end up editing their posts to the start of the argument and it'll turn into a bit of a mess. Everyone would constantly have to read previous posts to ensure their replies make sense. I just figured on 60 minutes so it give people enough time to edit large posts. What you reckon, suppose it could be set to unlimited and if it got messy it could be changed back to 60 minutes or whichever.

There isn't an option to insert an automatic message in place of deleted posts.

Thirdly, i've set the word sensor to automatically insert astrisks for c**t and f**k and a few variations. I don't see a need to ban words like bollox, bastard, arse or wanker but that could be perception, but then where do we stop, do we allow crap and hell. We'll only end up like the C4 forum.
We don't really want to be putting sticky's on the forum about rules and telling people what they can and can't do, the only reason we had it for the MPC championship is so the threads wouldn't get deleted with everyones predictions lost.
But you're right, i think a forum on the home page just stating that no porn links, personal attacks and you accept by entering that you are 16 years old or supervised by an adult if younger.
I don't mind people posting links to other forums though. If people see they can post anything (bar porn), then they'll stay and post without fear that their post may be deleted, that'll only stiffle debate and that's what happened to the C4 forum, anything slightly argumentative on that forum now and it gets deleted.

Another thought - we need to post a warning that members should be wary about giving out their personal details, as other users may be unscrupulous and seek to exploit these. The membership so far is grown up enough to know this, of course, but others might not. Also, it should say that this site cannot be held responsible for anything that may result from failing to heed this warning.

Perhaps we should make it policy that only e-mails can be exchanged and that we will - regretfully - delete any posting of telephone numbers and home addresses. Apologies for more worthiness, but it strikes me that we ought to have this in our terms and conditions as well for the purposes of keeping the forum's ar$e covered.

Sounds like a good idea.

There's also the private messaging thing people can use if they want to swop numbers or addresses, but we should also remind them that they do this at their own risk...
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Last edited by Myles on 31-07-08 21:55; edited 1 time in total

Mezz wrote:

Is there any real purpose in keeping each week's bets / predictions on the forum for ages after the pay outs have been made and the prediction points added to the league table? I'm quite a fussy fooker (surprise, surprise), so I wouldn't mind deleting these dated threads after a week or two of them becoming useless so we can try and keep the thread count down, unless anyone has an objection?

I know what you mean.
For the next week or so i think we should keep these threads up as there may be a backlash from the people who are awarded '0' in the predictions due to posting late and if any rule amendment was proposed and subsequently passed this autumn it would need to backdated to week 1.
It was proposed last year during the summer but there wasn't any discussion on it so the deadline rule was not amended.

Forum is now ad-free of those google ads.

If anyone can still see the ads, clear the cookies relating to this forum, if you still see them let me know.

Last edited by Myles on 31-07-08 21:59; edited 4 times in total

Credit and thanks to forum member nino (Doo Wop) for creating the new banner at the top.

Last edited by Myles on 31-07-08 21:59; edited 1 time in total

I've converted over to a template i've been working on, the main changes are;

• Most of the small bits of graphics have been replaced with plain green background to speed up the forum.
  
• Deleted some of the useless info, eg. what you can or cannot do.
  
• Put the Goto links on the top of each topic aswel as the bottom.
  
• Moved the Join! down from the top-right to the menu.
  
• The Who Is Online box is at the bottom of the forum instead of the index page.
  
• The time of the post is in the same place as that on the C4 forum, instead of under the avator.
  
• Switched the Author and Replies columns on the forum page.
  

Some other stuff i can't remember right now.

Any other suggestions, or if you prefer the original template please let me know, bear in mind this one might take a bit of getting used to.

Last edited by Myles on 25-09-07 21:30; edited 2 times in total

If you want the date and time to appear the same as the C4 forum, I recommend to set the date and time in your profile by copying and pasting the following:

d-m-y H:i

Also, you can set the time-zone to:

GMT+1

Avators

These need to be kept at a maximum width of 180pixels, to keep the appearance of the forum consistant, hence; prevent making everyone's message compressed.

Forum Configuration

This forum can also be reached at www.calcio-italiano.com, by re-directing.

Adverts

This issue was raised in another thread before. Where any money raised from ads would be given back to the members by raffle or whatever.

I can now put adverts anywhere on the forum i want, however...

In my opinion the forum should be kept ad-free as we wouldn't have enough hits to demand any substantial amount of money. Therefore, i think we should only put up any advert banners which are of real benefit to the members of the forum, hence, John D Taylor's website or Channel Five, if they also linked to the forum perhaps aswel. Obviously this wouldn't create any monies but them linking to us would work both ways, so who's to say we shouldn't pay them instead of them paying us!

Obviously the ads would have to be kept to a minimum and basically just be one small-ish linking banner and not stupid flashy pop-ups (damn they annoyed me on the C4 forum!).

Personally, i'm in favour of linking to John's website, since it's not his fault C4 screwed us over, and i'm sure he's just as annoyed. I've noticed they don't post links to their articles on the C4 forum anymore so they obviously know what's happened.
I've emailed John and Steve (Wilson) letting them know that they can post links in the forum in they so wish, the same as any member. Also, if we were to put a banner for John's website, it would be linked to his calcioitalia.co.uk domain and not the channel4 domain, so their would be no legal issues in that regard.

Anyway, those are just my opinions.

It's your forum, moderated by the members themselves and that's the way it'll always be, so any decisions about banners linking to any website that is of real benefit to the members is up to the members of the forum, so please don't be shy with opinions on this matter, make the forum the way you want it!

Good idea. Who's John and what's his website anyway?
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John D. Taylor is the editor of the Calcio Italia magazine, the C4 website is his, but he owns the domain name
www .calcioitalia.co.uk which re-directs to the C4 website aswel.

Steve Wilson is the production editor of the mag.

They, along with the other writers in the mag (i assume) are the folks who update the C4 website, write the CI mag and who posted the links in the C4 forum under the username Football Italia Ed.

Two thoughts - I presume that the configuration panel link is numpty-proof and we're not going to be affected by random idiots changing it....

Second - John D Taylor. I would be a little wary about inviting him on board, since his firm runs the C4 website, and utlimately - assuming you apply the notion that the buck stops with the man at the top - he is the man responsible for the old foro turning into the farce it ultimately became, be it through not controlling his moderators, or because he was unable to prevent some puritanical numpty at C4 from waving the ban stick with excess zeal. Harsh, but that's resposibility for you. We need to exercise care in our dealings with him, IMHO.

Now, if he wants the C4 forum moderated with a degree of common sense, I suspect that several mods and admins here would happily maintain foro law and order in an appropriate style and for a small consideration....

If any money does come in, though, I want mine to go to direct Combat Stress, please to help them pick up the pieces of Mr Blair's foreign policy <goes off to ban himself for being overly political>

Dave wrote:

Two thoughts - I presume that the configuration panel link is numpty-proof and we're not going to be affected by random idiots changing it....

It's for illustration only, if someone changes and submits it, it will make no difference, it submits to no-where. Only the Amins can change the configuration.

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Dave wrote:

Second - John D Taylor. I would be a little wary about inviting him on board, since his firm runs the C4 website, and utlimately - assuming you apply the notion that the buck stops with the man at the top - he is the man responsible for the old foro turning into the farce it ultimately became, be it through not controlling his moderators, or because he was unable to prevent some puritanical numpty at C4 from waving the ban stick with excess zeal. Harsh, but that's resposibility for you. We need to exercise care in our dealings with him, IMHO.

It wasn't his firm. Point taken though about his responsibility, but remember he's stuck between a rock and a hard place, exactly the reason why he'll only be given normal member status. He's the owner of the mag, but he's got responsibility to give employment to his writers because he's given them a certain commitment. If C4 screws up through whatever means, that's really out of his hands.
It's easy to say he can do this or should've done that, but he has to please C4 aswel as us, so it's a no-win situation, in a sense there's two sets of people that he's accountable to. It's easy to sit back with only ever having one boss to answer to, that's not the case in every job, so we aren't all as lucky, Dave, so take it easy!

Last edited by Myles on 29-09-07 06:33; edited 3 times in total

Dave wrote:

Now, if he wants the C4 forum moderated with a degree of common sense, I suspect that several mods and admins here would happily maintain foro law and order in an appropriate style and for a small consideration....

Beats having to break-away un-necessarily. i'll suggest it to John actually, good idea.

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