Duncan! wrote:

You got the 3 points.  The thing is to just get to the next round and then get some players back and things could be different by then.  Same for all the Italian teams- just get the 3 points for the next round

Including the Europa League?

LoganAlmasy wrote:

Transfer Guru wrote: Myles wrote: Micky wrote: ... but I'm not sure whether Marchisio or Melo should partner him. Seriously Micky? No contest imo, Marchisio. Marchisio all the way. Marchisio if you want to be even more offensive, Melo if you want some more cover for the back. Mmmmm....a midfield with Giovinco, Diego, Camoranesi, Marchisio and Amauri up front could be VERY interesting. I worry we might lose a bit of grit in the midfield though, Melo and Sissoko when paired together have done really well.

I don't mean to keep disagreeing with you LA, we just have different perspectives, but Melo in my opinion isn't very good at tackling without giving away too many frees, so at the moment i still consider Marchisio to be better cover for the back four.

Myles wrote:

I don't mean to keep disagreeing with you LA, we just have different perspectives, but Melo in my opinion isn't very good at tackling without giving away too many frees, so at the moment i still consider Marchisio to be better cover for the back four.

LOL, don't worry about it.

The thing is, I do rate Melo pretty highly. He can be frustrating, but only because his potential is great unlike Poulsen or Tiago who surprise me when they don't suck.

I think that he hasn't been as great as he could be because until the last few games, Juve's midfield was way too thin, which makes it easier to lose the ball and since options are limited up front, sometimes he misguidedly attempted to carry the ball up.

Anyway, I love his grit and determination, and if he can get a decent pairing (Marchisio or Momo), in the new midfield he can work perfectly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I switched accounts. I've been carrying the Almasy thing since high school and it was getting annoying to see it there. Hope you guys don't mind.

Marchisio is a better player offensively than Melo, however, he is still a little green on the defensive tackling side of things too.

I agree with Logan, he and Melo offer different flavours of a 4-2-3-1 providing Momo is there.

He is essential to this formation working properly.

I know we all hate him, but was there really any need:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/it...esident-giovanni-cobolli-gigli-in
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Guys, read this thing.

I

f**king

KNEW

IT.

I hope someone throws Moratti down a well somewhere, this pisses me off so much.

EDIT: I can't post links?? That sucks! Anyway, here's the gist of it, Moratti and Inter disgust me.

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Former Inter striker Christian Vieri has suggested the Calciopoli scandal was sparked and created by Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti in order to make his club the strongest team in Italy and send Juventus down to Serie B. Vieri is currently suing Inter and telecommunications company Telecom Italia for illegal wire tapping. Firenzeviola.it reports that the wire tapping plan between Moratti and Telecom Italia was to eliminate teams in Serie A so that Inter could pave the way for success. It claims Inter players were made to sign a document to cover up any existence of the plan to take down other clubs. The allegation is that Vieri's phone was tapped up to ensure he never spoke of Inter's Calciopoli plans. "I am ready to show everyone the document, everyone knew what was happening. I was spied upon because I cannot keep these things locked up," Vieri said as reported by Firenze Viola. "Seventy per cent of the contract was to be paid by Inter, and the other 30 per cent by Telecom who used me for advertising campaigns so that they could pay less taxes. "I have only ever spoken about this to Mr [Rinaldo] Ghelfi of Inter, agreeing everything with him. "I felt really sorry for Juventus because I have affection for them. The same with Milan. I thought I was doing something good for my president who has plenty to sell in terms of having a double personality."

If he indeed has some documentation we can see Moratti burn for what we all think was an Inter-led farce.

However, I dont see it happening, Bobo isnt the sharpest tool in the box and probably just wants some coke money.

gurjio wrote:

If he indeed has some documentation we can see Moratti burn for what we all think was an Inter-led farce. However, I dont see it happening, Bobo isnt the sharpest tool in the box and probably just wants some coke money.

Well, even if he isn't very bright, if he isn't outright lying, he has the documentation to prove his claims. This would finally provide hard evidence that the whole Calciopoli scandal was a farse.

This may be far fetched, but I hope Inter gets sent down to Serie B for this, and Massimo Moratti vanished from Calcio.

EDIT: It seems the story got pulled down from goal.com. Is there any other source for this or was it just a practical joke?

EDIT2: Found another source, it's on Napoli24. It really does suck that I can't post links.

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I know I'm an Inter supporter and I don't have too much love for Juve, but I'm trying to be a little objective here.

"Yes, there were things that were not right in the old Juventus...": Cobolli. What were those? I've read the so-called Vieri quotes and I'm not sure they make a lot of sense, even if I were a Juve supporter:

1. How did Moratti 'create' Calciopoli? Did he or the discredited Triad make the phone calls? There may have been whistle blowers but they didn't make the calls.

2. Why would the club make the players sign a document? Did they do the alleged wire tapping?

3."...the other 30 per cent by Telecom who used me for advertising campaigns so that they could pay less taxes." How does that work?

4. And what of the latest revelations about ball tampering? I suppose that was Inter as well?

Is there any hard evidence for anything in Italy or does everything work on supposition or conspiracy theory?[/list]
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Well of course Inter would have wanted calciopoli to happen and the way that they seem to have acted like the innocent vicitim in Calciopoli is laughable. Everyone knows that there are many many things that go on in Italy that are corrupt and unlawful (not that the laws mean anything there). There is clear evidence for this and some of my family has even been at the sore end of corruption. What I find so disheartening is the fact that cleanup operations seem themselves to be corrupt.

It will be interesting to see what comes out, but I suspect the truth will never come out. This is how these things work.

I'm not surprised by the Vieri comments.  Being totally objective I'll state facts.  Massimo Moratti was a director at Telecom Italia.  Marco Tronchetti Provera is a current Inter director who was head of Telecom Italia at the time of the Calciopoli scandal.  Guido Rossi who led the trial walked straight into a top job at Telecom Italia when the trial was done.

So there is a strong link between Inter and Telecom Italia, which of course Vieri has brought into the open in his own trial.

I have many other views on Calciopoli which I won't repeat, but all I really want is official recognition of the 2 'stolen' Scudetti, as well as suitable financial compensation as I feel the whole thing was a set up.

I don't want Inter punishing if it's found Moratti was behind it.  All I'd want is Moratti to rot in jail.
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Logan, you can log in as LoganAlmasy and change your username to Logan in your profile now if you wish to keep all your previous posts under the username Logan.

I wonder, if Trez were to come off early tonight for an injury or something, would Ciro put Giorgio up there as a centre forward? Was it Micky who said he was our best striker?!
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Myles wrote:

Logan, you can log in as LoganAlmasy and change your username to Logan in your profile now if you wish to keep all your previous posts under the username Logan.

Thanks Myles!!  

Transfer Guru wrote:

I wonder, if Trez were to come off early tonight for an injury or something, would Ciro put Giorgio up there as a centre forward? Was it Micky who said he was our best striker?!

Indeed, and although it was a joke I'm somewhat inclined to believe that he actually would be as good as Amauri or Trezeguet given some of their recent performances.

Looking forward to tonights game, Bergamo isn't always the easiest place to go, does anyone know if the trio of Giovinco, Diego and Camo will be back?
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I read on FI that quite a few Atalanta players were out with flu ?
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Liam wrote:

I'm not surprised by the Vieri comments.  Being totally objective I'll state facts.  Massimo Moratti was a director at Telecom Italia.  Marco Tronchetti Provera is a current Inter director who was head of Telecom Italia at the time of the Calciopoli scandal.  Guido Rossi who led the trial walked straight into a top job at Telecom Italia when the trial was done. So there is a strong link between Inter and Telecom Italia, which of course Vieri has brought into the open in his own trial. I have many other views on Calciopoli which I won't repeat, but all I really want is official recognition of the 2 'stolen' Scudetti, as well as suitable financial compensation as I feel the whole thing was a set up. I don't want Inter punishing if it's found Moratti was behind it.  All I'd want is Moratti to rot in jail.

Liam. I agree with you word for word. I would add that the leak of the calls came from Telecom Italia. In addition, the late Fachetti had similar calls. Finally, this is not just hearsay. There are groups of Juve supporters who are running blogs on that stuff and who continue to write to the club indicating that the club should have taken the case to the civil courts. You will recall that the club did not at the time for fear of being punished further for having taken the case outside the sports justice system. The system was not just. The Guido Rossi connection makes me laugh and cry all at once. Berlisconi was there to threaten to pull TV contracts if Milan was to be relegated. We did not our avvocato...I also agree we should have our two scudetti back....if the Vieri connection leads others to talk then I hope the club stands up to what is right and just...

Rossi, I've read all the same things you've read, although information in English is a lot harder to come by.

I've read about the Giu le Mani dalla Juve group which is appealing the verdicts through the courts.

I think the most disturbing aspect of all this is the way the club wasn't defended enough, amid stories of a dispute in the new generation of the Agnelli family.  It's ugly and raises serious question marks over the owners.
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