Bobo32 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...opean_football/article6493139.ece About Perez. Read it. Don't be so harsh.

No thanks.

Bobo32 wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...opean_football/article6493139.ece About Perez. Read it. Don't be so harsh.

If that's supposed to change my opinion, it hasn't.
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Am I the only one who sees it? It's an economically sound proposal. Real Madrid need to be able to suck up a loss for 3 years, to break even the fourth year, and run in profit the 5th. (Actually it would only work like this if the £80m was paid upfront but it's being paid in instalments, the details of which are unknown). The fact remains it is likely to be a profitable deal for Real financially and will surely improve a relatively poor side on the pitch.

"The most expensive things are the cheapest".

Compare the relatively safe acquisitions of Kaka and Ronaldo to those of say, Berbatov, Dossena or Thiago recently. Even if a player costs you £1m and he never plays (well) and has no affect on your brand, that deal leaves you worse off than spending £80m on Ronaldo.

Tbh, it all seems like jealousy.
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If you believe it.

Real's debt level in this article was 100m euro, the lowest I've seen quote. Worst I've seen is 800m pound. Not sure if bank debt is a way of hiding their total debts.

Journo's love splashing around Real's revenue figures, why doesn't anyone publish what it cost them to run their club.

Keep in mind it was the Madrid council that bailed them out last time.  By paying top dollar for their training ground and them gifting them land to build their new facilities they were able to get out of nearly 400m euro of debt. If Italian clubs went into this much debt they'd find themselves in C1 pretty quick.

If Real can afford it good luck to them. Makes me laugh though how they have no interest in the back half of the field, for this alone I hope they fail dismally.

What Real are doing has nothing to do with football, it's about exploiting the uneducated that watch the game. Although band wagoners deserve being stripped of their cash
Figo described it perfectly, on the lines of... what Real did wasn't football, it was a circus more interested in selling shirts than winning trophies.

Personally I don't miss the big spending days of Moratti.

Off topic but moto gp race with Rossi taking it on the last corner

Agreed Ferri.  Perez's primary plan at Real Madrid has never been to win trophies, just to enhance the clubs image and sell shirts all over the world to fans who one week support Barcelona and the next minute it's Real Madrid.

This isn't what football should be.  It shouldn't be about borrowing huge sums of money and racking up large debts to fund an overpriced transfer deal in the hope of selling more shirts in China.

Time for Uefa to get harsh on clubs that run up large debts in this way, whether they can pay them back or not.  Kicking the likes of Real Madrid out of the Champions League would immediately stop this debt culture.

I just hope Juventus are never run like this.
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true statement Liam..Real are run like a circus..for all the attacking talent they buy they still have an average defence..and Perez main ploy as President is to be a marketing mogul..would everyone agree with me when I say that Real Madrid are the most hated club football side in the world?I hate them more than Rangers and i'm a Celtic supporter!

OK you say all this and it's a legitimate view point but you'd have to push it to its full conclusion and send Man Utd and Liverpool to League One. What's Man Utd's debt... £660m  ?

Would you really watch that happen and be OK with it? If you would, fine, but the minute you divorce football from the capitalist world it sits in you start making arbitrary decisions which will probably lead to more unfairness than it reduces.
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Sepp Blatter seem's to be fine with what's going on at Real, Platini need's to get some of his policies implemented and get the ball rolling to stop this sham.
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Tuten K wrote:

Sepp Blatter seem's to be fine with what's going on at Real, Platini need's to get some of his policies implemented and get the ball rolling to stop this sham.

False. He's spoken out against the lunacy. Why are English people so defensive over the PL?

It's the most successful league in Europe and still you guys find reason to be paranoid that everyone's against you... I really dont get it. Silly English people    
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Bobo32 wrote:

It's the most successful league in Europe and still you guys find reason to be paranoid that everyone's against you... I really dont get it. Silly English people

I'd agree with you on that call Bobo..PL followers are obsessed with the idea that they are victimized by UEFA,remember when Chelsea claimed UEFA were delighted that Barca beat them in the semi's..there was all sorts of conspiracy theories!

Btw, before you bash Real Madrid too much for govt help it's worth mentioning in the same breath that barca get a lot of help from La Generalitat (catalan govt) in exchange for their cause  being championed through the club. How about that for politiking. Or is it OK because they are left, not right wing.
And Caixa Cataluna (a bank) support Barca well.

So maybe all of football is just doomed and we shouldnt support anyone. Maybe we should ignore what happens on the pitch, ignore those moments of beauty, ignore the touches, the flicks and the goals and concentrate on everything else instead   ???
Or maybe we should just accept that football, however much it plays with our heart strings, ultimately rests in a capitalist world and is there to be exploited. Maybe we should accept that so long as the quality of football on the pitch is good (and it is), we should be grateful and appreciate the beautiful game for what it is: a beautiful game..
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Bobo32 wrote:

So maybe all of football is just doomed and we shouldnt support anyone.

I'm just supporting my own team and disliking other teams, that's all, and Real Madrid just so happen to be a very unlikeable team. But hey, they can buy whoever they want and spend however much they like. I can't complain, we got Buffon, Nedved and Thuram from ZZ money. I just enjoy seeing other teams slip up when they swing their metaphorical balls around.
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Bobo32 wrote:

Tuten K wrote: Sepp Blatter seem's to be fine with what's going on at Real, Platini need's to get some of his policies implemented and get the ball rolling to stop this sham. False. He's spoken out against the lunacy. Why are English people so defensive over the PL? It's the most successful league in Europe and still you guys find reason to be paranoid that everyone's against you... I really dont get it. Silly English people

Er.... Blatter spoke out, but in favour of the size of the transfer fee - Blatter: Ronaldo worth the money

I thought Tuten K was simply suggesting that he supports Platini's view (as noted in the link above) that the whole thing is getting a bit excessive?

I can't quite see how Tuten K's remarks represent some sort of English paranoia...

Bobo32 wrote:

OK you say all this and it's a legitimate view point but you'd have to push it to its full conclusion and send Man Utd and Liverpool to League One. What's Man Utd's debt... £660m  ? Would you really watch that happen and be OK with it? If you would, fine, but the minute you divorce football from the capitalist world it sits in you start making arbitrary decisions which will probably lead to more unfairness than it reduces.

Like I've said if they can pay back the money, I've got no problem with it.  Although watching these clubs that borrow big going pop would be fun. Imagine all the players being dumped on the market  

Regarding Barca I think you'll find they invest plenty of their money back into Catalan causes as well.

Sorry Bobo youv've got me wrong there, I am English though but I don't know where youv'e got this paranoia thing from as I'm not like that at all your generalising. The fee's paid by Real are simply obscene. I support Platini.
No al Calcio Moderno and all that you know.
I read these forums quite alot I thought you were English Inter supporter Bobo, where you from if you don't mind me asking?  
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I read in a hurry. I was actually speaking about Platini, who has spoken out against the transfer. Tbh Im not sure why Blatter or anyone should speak out against it.

Your post wasnt an example of paranoia. I saw the word "platini" and ran with what I wanted to. Point stands that English football fans and media get hysterically protective of their league. It's like the EPL is 1-0 up against the other leagues but has resolved to whack 10 men behind the ball with an hour left. Totally unnecessary.

Anyway Im well chuffed there's been some debate. Just what this forum needs.

Im an Inter fan, btw. And I'm half French and half English. My sporting side is very much French though and understand the Mediterranean mentality far more than the British one.
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I totally agree with you about the majority of Enlgish football fan's, since EPL has emerged as the top league in Europe they think everyone's out to get them and take away their newly found throne, the media stir it so much now too. I didn't explain my self as clearly as I should have in that first post and you read quickly so it was a bad recipe lol and then I interpreted what you posted wrong.... anyway  
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Personally I think the Premier League only supporters think their league is leaps and bounds ahead of every other league!..they only recognise the Spanish league because they watch a bit on sky sports every so often,and when I praise Serie A to my friends they dismiss is as boring games which always end 0-0 or 1-0..totally incorrect,it just shows their ignorance in not accepting that there are quality championships out there..for me,the Bundesliga was the most entertaining league last season!

Serie A had more goals per game than EPL last season.
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Yeh,I saw that stat,so much for catenaccio calcio!personally I think the standard of football in mainland Europe this year was brilliant,there were shocks a plenty in the 'minor' leagues as some might call them, Alkmaar winning in Holland, Bordeaux in France, Besiktas and Sivasspor battling it out in Turkey, Standard Liege and Anderlecht having a playoff for Belgian supremacy and what about Matt Derbyshire's success at Olympiakos?