Drughi wrote:

Ferri, I dont like Moggi and will agree that he tried to influence refs...but all clubs did it...and only Juve payed for it. I said it is clash in Juventus ranks and part of family wanted him out...but there is nothing with our titles. Look man you were trailing 30 points or so every f**king season and Juventus had whole f**king team in WC finals    and now you claim we stopped you being champions... Man, with your transfer politics    you couldnt win anything...

30 points? A slight exaggeration  

I’m the first to admit that Inter made many mistakes during the 90’s trying to buy a quick fix. However that problem has been rectified for many years. Moratti no longer sacks a coach every time the weather changes (two coaches in last 7 seasons if you ignore the fill gap measure after Cuper). Also transfers are done within a reasonable budget, majority are frees or low cost purchases and aimed at building an even side rather than relying on individuals.

Granted you admit that Juve were receiving some favours from the ref however you can’t possibly believe that from 95-06 Juve didn’t get the better deal. A slave can’t serve two masters.

97 Parma were put to the sword. 98 I wont even mention been done to death.

The final rounds leading into God’s gift to Serie A in 00 were farcical. Who could ever forget Cannavaro shaking his head in disbelief when De Santis cancelled his equalising goal for Parma.

Ok Inter choke in 02 against Lazio on that day, but the penalty not award by De Santis against Chievo amongst other decisions two rounds before kept you in the championship.

Even in 05/06 when you arguably had your best squad over the Moggi era the game v Udinese, Cagliari and Lazio had to raise the question of Moggi’s involvement.
From Australia I could predicted the Udinese result was going to go Juve’s way in controversy. Leading into the game I had a lot of friendly banter about how this was the first season Juve would win without controversy as they were that far in front but when Inter reduced the gap to 8 points, a loss to Udinese prior to the Derby D’Italia would have given Inter the chance to bring it back to two with a win in the Derby. I made the call then that Juve would get the result one way or another. What happen? Juve score from an offside position, Muntari gets sent off for a non existent foul, amongst other incidents.

The fact that Juve lost probably their two most warranted scudetti under Moggi....I call it poetic justice  

Ferri, you're just picking your games. You can be sure Inter have had goals that should've been disallowed, legit goals scored against Inter that were disallowed, penalties that should or should not have been, etc. What goes around comes around. Generally, the best team attacks the most, hence they will get more penalties and less scored against them which makes sense if the best team has the territorial advantage on average. Stop trying to justify Inter weren't the best team by discrediting other teams, it's called sore looser!

If you go by your metaphorical logic, then you must accept Moratti corruption is the reason why Napoli beat Juve this season, plus the other game we were screwed in, I can't remember who it was, Cagliari or Siena! Inter corruption is why we didn't win those matches? Same logic!

Myles wrote:

Ferri, you're just picking your games. You can be sure Inter have had goals that should've been disallowed, legit goals scored against Inter that were disallowed, penalties that should or should not have been, etc. What goes around comes around. Generally, the best team attacks the most, hence they will get more penalties and less scored against them which makes sense if the best team has the territorial advantage on average. Stop trying to justify Inter weren't the best team by discrediting other teams, it's called sore looser! If you go by your metaphorical logic, then you must accept Moratti corruption is the reason why Napoli beat Juve this season, plus the other game we were screwed in, I can't remember who it was, Cagliari or Siena! Inter corruption is why we didn't win those matches? Same logic!

Um yes...only juve's cheating has been shown in the courts and moratti's hasnt.
interesting presumption of guilt here...

Also ferri's argument ("logic") was based over a far longer time period (a decade) with several convincing observations about when said cheating happened. Notably when Juve most needed and advantage (last few games of the season and in the runup to title clashes) and when certain referees were in charge (DeSantis).

The whole point of the thread was that your so-called 'court' was a Sporting Court and that it was influenced by Moratti's affiliates.
However a new trial will be conducted by the Civil Courts, you know the type, real courts!!! Not kangaroo courts.

Bobo32 wrote:

Also ferri's argument ("logic") was based over a far longer time period (a decade) with several convincing observations about when said cheating happened. Notably when Juve most needed and advantage (last few games of the season and in the runup to title clashes) and when certain referees were in charge (DeSantis).

Did you not read what i wrote? I'm sure it was the same for Inter over the same time.
"When said Cheating happened" Haha! you must be joking, you think we all keep a file of when a goal should or shouldn't have happened, maybe you do but i'm not that sad! If you think Inter were never given a goal that they shouldn't have got or their opposing team never disallowed a perfectly good goal then you obviously never seen football, it happens to every team.

As regards De Santis, he's a well known hater of Juve and supports Milan so yourself and Ferri even mentioning that he favours Juve shows you are just fabricating to support your weak claims.

Bobo32 wrote:

Um yes...only juve's cheating has been shown in the courts and moratti's hasnt. interesting presumption of guilt here...

The courts proved nothing.  They just came to a conclusion based on a few carefully selected telephone conversations that were published with bits missing to make Moggi seem a lot worse than he actually was.

The only fixing in the trial was the trial itself.
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Myles wrote:

If you go by your metaphorical logic, then you must accept Moratti corruption is the reason why Napoli beat Juve this season, plus the other game we were screwed in, I can't remember who it was, Cagliari or Siena! Inter corruption is why we didn't win those matches? Same logic!

Let me help maybe it was Siena, Torino, Lazio or Fiorentina (not to mention penalty not given for Semioli) where Juve scored from questionable David Trezeguay positions, maybe the Roma match were 8 seconds was enough to reverse the throw from Roma to Juve that lead to the Juve equaliser or against Milan where Gila incorrectly given off side.

No I'm not talking one off decisions here and there, but blatant call after call going against you in crunch games. But pointless argument as we both have our shades on and there's no way we'll see the same colour.

Regarding this whole thread personally:
Juve were the worst of the lot and benefited most from 95-06.
Someone with Inter's interest at heart probably did massage the evidence.
Moggi and co thought they were caught with their pants down and did the bolt only to start back tracking once they got a sniff that maybe there's wasn't enough to hold against them.
Berlusconi and co never wavered for a minute throughout.
Juve penalty was watered down as a result of the evidence.
During the whole process la lega was in damage control as they have a product to protect.

In the wash Juve walk away with 5 championships with Moggi in charge, probably one more than I thought they were worth, Inter walk away with one gifted wrapped (probably one less than what I thought we were worth).

Done dusted and let's get on with it. Hopefully calcio from here on returns to the period post totonero (84-93 were magical days) but I've got no doubts that in 10-20 years from now new investigations into corruption will be under way.  

Ferri wrote:

Let me help maybe it was Siena, Torino, Lazio or Fiorentina (not to mention penalty not given for Semioli) where Juve scored from questionable David Trezeguay positions, maybe the Roma match were 8 seconds was enough to reverse the throw from Roma to Juve that lead to the Juve equaliser or against Milan where Gila incorrectly given off side.

As i said, i don't have a file on every game that had a wrong decision made in it by an official, that would be just sad....but obviously you keep a file, get a life!

Ferri wrote:

No I'm not talking one off decisions here and there, but blatant call after call going against you in crunch games. But pointless argument as we both have our shades on and there's no way we'll see the same colour.

Every top club has been in many games where incorrect decisions have been made in their favour, as i already said, it's due to territorial advantage. If you think every top club (including Inter) never benefited you are deluded. That's not to say all or any of the incorrect decisions were intentionally made by officials, perhaps some, perhaps none, no-one will ever know.

Ferri wrote:

Regarding this whole thread personally: Juve were the worst of the lot and benefited most from 95-06.

That's what the sporting trial concluded, however this thread is about whether or not the trial was corrupt, if it was indeed corrupt then their conclusions would be corrupt also.

Ferri wrote:

Berlusconi and co never wavered for a minute throughout. During the whole process la lega was in damage control as they have a product to protect.

It is being claimed, the evidence in the sporting trial actually would have penalised Milan the most. As since it would be their second sentence of corruption they would have been relegated down to Serie C2 or at least C1. Berlusconi threatened to pull the plug on the TV deal 3 days before the sentence was handed out, it is being claimed that they were left of the hook due to this, well in the sense that they weren't relegated but just had a points deduction.

Ferri wrote:

In the wash Juve walk away with 5 championships with Moggi in charge, probably one more than I thought they were worth, Inter walk away with one gifted wrapped (probably one less than what I thought we were worth).

I assume you are refering to the game Inter lost to Lazio 4-2. You's did that all by yourself, or if you want someone to blame (as Inte4r supporters usually do) you can blame Poborsky.
It's funny that you don't mention Juve's game against Perugia, if we corrupted the league then why was the game not abandoned at halftime after the downpour, since Perugia's half of the pitch was totally waterlogged and Juve's half of the pitch wasn't that bad: Thus making it impossible for Zidane & co to create anything as the ball wouldn't move at all in Perugia's half. You're just picking what suits, not the real overall picture.

Ferri wrote:

Done dusted and let's get on with it.

Why? because you say it is and you want the final point? If you are tired of talking about it then there's no-need for you to look at the thread anymore.

This thread is about the claims of Moratti's involvement in the sporting trial that will be brought up in the new trial. Just incase you were preparing some smartass response to my "It is being claimed..." comments.

Ferri, there is no reason to be nervous...thread is named 'Justice' because Moratti, not you. So he will end in jail...you will just have to return titles you got in spying and corrupted trial...

About other things it is sad to say but losers always find reason in something else and not in own problems...and it is why they continue to lose...

Do excuse me for butting in on the 'Marcello Salas 2' thread, but will this new trial (if it all goes tits-up for Moratti) have any effect on the punishment that Fiorentina was handed?

We lost a large chunk of revenue from being kicked out of the Champions League, and I want it back...
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Well, i guess Ferri and Bobo seem to rely on the conclusions of the (apparently) corrupt trial for their reason why Juve deserved relegation, what with their adherence to the evidence, yet they seem to be quoting games that don't have any such evidence of match-fixing. Even the Moratti run trial didn't show evidence from those games pre-2005 that Ferri and Bobo seem to use in their arguments.

Apparently Juve are guilty of fixing any match that had a dodgy decision from 1995-2006, yet not 1994 or 1993, only the years we won, it's interitis, sore loosers in layman's language. Of course Inter never had a dodgy decision awarded in their favour between Ferri's concerned period of 1995-2006, never.

A message for Ferri and Bobo, the calciopoli I trial says in its' report that their was no evidence of match-fixing concerning Juve or any other game that helped Juve win any titles, so if you want to adhere so stringently to the trials conclusions you shouldn't think Juve fixed any match, that's contradicting the trials conclusions.

Mezz, it's not good news for Fiorentina because the only game which seems to have been fixed was a game involving Chievo and Parma, it was a drawn game and thus kept Fiorentina in Serie A, apparently Delle Valle was involved in the fixing. Whether you are deemed to be in breach of article 6 or not is the question, if you are you should have been relegated, but if you are only in breach of article 1 then you are okay because you already served a penalty for that, though i think the penalty for article 1 is only supposed to be 3 points deduction.

This is what been claimed, whether it's true will not be known until the Civil court does it's job.

Although, the fixing of the Chievo-Parma game was the conclusion of the calciopoli I trial, which no-one believes, trusts or has any credibility anymore (except for some Interisti).

Moratti reminds me of Franco Sensi. You had a few Romanisti that believed everything that came out of Franco's mouth. Everyone laughed at him and those romanisti, the interisti laughed aswel. Now those interisti seem to be suffering from the same disease.

Thanks for that, Myles.

The first trial was all a load of bollocks anyway, so I ain't sweatin' none.
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I know this thread might seem like Marcello Salas II but the trial concerns the other penalised clubs aswel, especially Milan who could end up in more trouble.

From the Juve point of view, it is wondering whether or not we were screwed, if the trial finds that we weren't screwed i've no problem with that, but if we were i'd like our club cleared because i'm sick of mates who support english teams only, calling us cheats etc, you'd swear it was the supporters who organised match fixing.

Its not really sound to tell people to get a life whenever they quote specific games.
Anymore than it is to tell someone to get a life if they set up aan internet forum.

Stay grounded pal.

Myles wrote:

As i said, i don't have a file on every game that had a wrong decision made in it by an official, that would be just sad....but obviously you keep a file, get a life!

No just a good memory, if I kept a file I'll have added more. I just find it easier to remember the ones that made me laugh the most.

Myles wrote:

Every top club has been in many games where incorrect decisions have been made in their favour, as i already said, it's due to territorial advantage. If you think every top club (including Inter) never benefited you are deluded. That's not to say all or any of the incorrect decisions were intentionally made by officials, perhaps some, perhaps none, no-one will ever know.

Or admit it

Myles wrote:

It is being claimed, the evidence in the sporting trial actually would have penalised Milan the most. As since it would be their second sentence of corruption they would have been relegated down to Serie C2 or at least C1. Berlusconi threatened to pull the plug on the TV deal 3 days before the sentence was handed out.

Isn't this the same defence Moggi put up? "Milan used the TV rights this" Milan use their TV rights that" Looks like the Gobbi supporters believe everything Moggi says  

Myles wrote:

I assume you are refering to the game Inter lost to Lazio 4-2. You's did that all by yourself, or if you want someone to blame (as Inte4r supporters usually do) you can blame Poborsky. It's funny that you don't mention Juve's game against Perugia, if we corrupted the league then why was the game not abandoned at halftime after the downpour, since Perugia's half of the pitch was totally waterlogged and Juve's half of the pitch wasn't that bad: Thus making it impossible for Zidane & co to create anything as the ball wouldn't move at all in Perugia's half. You're just picking what suits, not the real overall picture.

no not just 02 but 03 and 98, I referred to the Perugia game earlier in this thread as "God's gift to Serie A". Why should man intervene with what God wants

Myles wrote:

Why? because you say it is and you want the final point? If you are tired of talking about it then there's no-need for you to look at the thread anymore.

Yes I'm tired of this thread but I can't help myself, as there seems to be so few on this forum who take the effort to point you Gobbi in the right direction

Myles wrote:

This thread is about the claims of Moratti's involvement in the sporting trial that will be brought up in the new trial.

 
This thread is about an allegation that hasn't even been given a green light to go to the courts yet.

Drughi wrote:

Ferri, there is no reason to be nervous...thread is named 'Justice' because Moratti, not you. So he will end in jail...you will just have to return titles you got in spying and corrupted trial... About other things it is sad to say but losers always find reason in something else and not in own problems...and it is why they continue to lose...

Cheers Drughi appreciate your humour. Funniest guy on the forum.
 

Thanks Ferri  

Didnt see today penalty and Cambiasso goal?

But still even you cheat this season, no there will be no title for you.

Mensa FC will be only club to be relegated at 100th year  

But losers usually have some weird sense of humor...

I don't think it would be right to pick on anyones penalty after the one I saw given to you guys on Saturday  

Drughi...are you for real?