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El postaro de dios

Thoir-Inter, is it the end of an era?

Erick Thoir, the indonesian billionaire, have complete yesterday night the trade with Massimo Moratti for the sale of F.C. Internazionale. Is it a nice thing for the future of this society   ? I hope that it will not only be a business for him   .


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"Ora e per sempre, Moratti presidente!"
Liam

Unfortunately it seems Moratti will continue to have a role.  It'd be better for Inter and Serie A in general if he goes for good.
El postaro de dios

Liam wrote:
Unfortunately it seems Moratti will continue to have a role.  It'd be better for Inter and Serie A in general if he goes for good.


No, i don't think so. Italian clubs need italian presidents with a TRUE passion for soccer. But maybe you want to talk about scandals... Calciopoli maybe...
Now, I don't want to defend anyone (Berlusconi's, Agnelli's, Moratti's are ones of the richest italian families, i think they don't need to be defend) , but I think that Moratti is not the only one author of that disaster, and I'm sure he's not the protagonist. You are a juventus supporter, I hope that you know better than me the history of your club.

P.S. Sorry for my English  
Myles

Moratti accelerated Italian football's decline by conspiring to eliminating the competition in an unsporting manner.

Off the cuff comments about Juventus supporters not knowing their club if they believe Moratti was the protagonist, because we've a different opinion based on closely following the FIGC and Napoli trials is poor discussion and tiresome to say the least.

You acknowledge Moratti was an author yet you think he was good for Italian football, that's a contradiction in my opinion.
El postaro de dios

Everyone led to the decline Serie A, every single president .
I'm only a bit sad because an italian team is going to lose his president and is going to be buy by and indonesian millionaire that only want to trasform it in a business  
Myles

Yes it's causes were more widespread than just one scandal, but it was without doubt a contributing factor and Moratti played a major role so i think it's reasonable cause to say that Italian football will be better without him. He's not automatically better just because he's italian and passonate about his club. Sure Zamparini is Italian and passonate about Palermo but Palermo would probably be better off without him.
El postaro de dios

So what do you think about Luciano Moggi? There is a coach, Zdenek Zeman, that you maybe don't like. I know he is not a good coach, but i'm sure he knows a lot of things about those scandals.

"Juventus's scudetti? They are maybe 22 or 23, not more".

P.S. Don't touch Zamparini!   He is going to fire you for whay you said!
Myles

Moggi played a role in calciopoli just as Moratti did. Are you saying Moggi was bad for italian football and Moratti was good for italian football?

Don't take Zeman literally, some of what he said might be true, but don't take it as gospel.

You can choose to believe those who say things that is convenient for your club or you can be objective. I don't believe everything Moggi says because he has an agenda, but so does Zeman.
El postaro de dios

We can stay here and talk about Calciopoli for hours. Let me say just one thing. Juventus's favors arbitration started during the 90', and not in 2005, so Calciopoli was simply the end of this cicle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZEZLDduyo
Myles

So one referee mistake determines everything?

Staying on topic though and going back to my question, do you think Moratti was good for italian football and Moggi was bad for italian football?
Duncan!

ugh, more calciopoli debate?    ALL the presidents were trying to influence things.

Juventus, much as i loathe to admit, were the best team the two years the Scudetti were stripped from them.

But since we are rehashing old arguments, Totti is and was still better than ADP
Liam

El postaro de dios wrote:
We can stay here and talk about Calciopoli for hours. Let me say just one thing. Juventus's favors arbitration started during the 90', and not in 2005, so Calciopoli was simply the end of this cicle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZEZLDduyo

If my reading of the rules is correct, that's an obstruction offence, so isn't a penalty but an indirect free kick.  Either way the ref gave nothing, and as Myles said, that proves nothing.

Look at a few games from that era and you'll find things going for and against every team.

I've looked at stats from the 2004-05 season and there's some interesting unreported things.  Only twice was an opposition player sent off against Juventus that season, the least in the league.  Juve's results were also significantly worse when the accused referees were in charge of games.

I could go on a lot longer, but i'd be repeating myself.
El postaro de dios

In 2005/06 Juventus was already a great team. The question is: how it has become so strong?
Dels

Duncan! wrote:
But since we are rehashing old arguments, Totti is and was still better than ADP


Hah! That takes me back.
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