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Mezz

The Premier League Thread

Has anyone else noticed that the pitch at Fratton Park seems to have been built on top of a house?

It's only really visible in either of the penalty boxes, but there's a definite anomoly in the surface in the shape of ridge that runs from left to right all the way along the centre of the field which is noticably higher than the rest of the pitch.

Surely this can't be legal?
Guest

I think it's more from camera side going down towards the far stand. Other teams have sloped pitches too (though maybe not as much at that level), Welling in the Conference South have a one goal higher than the other.

Typical that as soon as we go down Portsmouth go and put a roof on the away stand. I've been there 3 times and we've won 3 times though, so can't complain too much
Mezz

This thread has dropped quicker than Paris Hilton's kecks in front of a camcorder.

Does anyone really give a shite about the Premiership anymore?
Mezz

I'm guessing the answer to the above is "No", but in an attempt to light the fuse...

Who should the next England manager be?


Personally, I would be very interested to see Capello take charge.

He could come in to the job without having any ties to an English team and therefore have an objective view of who the best English players really are rather than picking mainstay deadwood or players he managed at club level.

Also, Capello plays for results as his numerous titles points towards. We all want to be entertained when watching a game, but surely the time has come for England supporters to be assured of a solid three points and potential glory rather than high scoring epics where they lose to teams they should beating and demolish the 123rd best team in the world according to FIFA?
Liam

Capello would be the perfect choice. Fans will moan about his defensive football, but he gets results, and the reality is that this present England side isn't going to win by playing nice football, as it isn't good enough. Capello will utilise the defensive strength of the side (apart from the goalkeeper), and will get more out of the players than McClaren was capable of. He's by far the best option, well apart from Alan Shearer of course.
Dave

Gabriel Marcotti suggests that Capello isn't normally the sort of person to say 'please, giz a job', and suspects that the FA intend to engage his services in some form, either as manager or the experienced eminence gise for a younger coach (Coppell?).

If Capello really wants the job, then why not? Given a choice of Capello or 'Appy 'Arry Redknapp - you can guarantee that if he's appointed, he'll promptly lose his libel action against the BBC, even if all the evidence shows that the Panorama team made the entire thing up after a particularly heavy session in the Slug and Newsreader - I think Don Fabio would win. To be frank, if England start winning with dull, defensively oriented football, would England fans really care? And on top of that, the ITV punditry team would be thrown into a quandry (assuming they know what one of those is) as to what to say when Italian teams played.

'Dull and boring these, Italians. Play just like our wonderful England tea... Doh!'
Jay

Dave wrote:
... And on top of that, the ITV punditry team would be thrown into a quandry (assuming they know what one of those is) as to what to say when Italian teams played.


Dave - as they say - great minds think alike.

Just had the self same conversation last night.
His appointment would also be sure to please Richard Keys and co at Sky too!
Dave

Based on today's performances, Allardyce may have been wrong to rule himself out; he could be looking for a job shortly.


My only fear is that the FA will assume that as he was able to outwit Siralex, they should now go for Gary Megson....

While the short bits of Radio 5 I've heard obvioulsy aren't representative, there would seem to be quite a few people out there who've phoned in to suggest that as a manager who
(a) has even less tolerance for players with large egos that Sir Alex
(b) a record of winning things
(c) some idea of how to get players utilising something other than 4-4-2
(d) frankly doesn't give a hoot what the press think of him

is not only available but has said he'd like the job, the FA should get him.
ForzaFiori

Don't suppose Capello wants the Scotland job??? As Big Eck has buggered off to Brum.
Dave

Unhappy 'Arry

Harry Redknapp has been arrested as part of the ongoing investigations into football corruption, according to Portsmouth FC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7116823.stm

I suppose I ought to put my admin's sensible trousers on and remind posters that 'Arry is innocent until proven guilty and hasn't even been charged - so we'll have to remove any references along the lines of 'I know a bloke down the pub who knows someone who saw 'Arry being given a large bung in the form of a lorryload of Frosties at the Watford Gap services' to protect Myles' bank account...

Edit - and the same applies to any references to Milan Mandric, Amdy Faye who have also been named as amongst those chatting to Inspector Knacker
Myles

My bank account is always empty anyway, so you can say what you like!
Mezz

You cheap c**t.

Myles

It's not because i'm cheap, it's down to splashing the cash, drinks are on me!, except for Mezz, you can buy your own
Guest

Community service for 'Arry. His plea bargain is that he will accept a two-year contract as England manager.
Mezz

I've now seen Everton's Andy Johnson, Wigan's Marcus Bent and a few other Premiership players do the action that Titus Bramble is doing in this picture after scoring a goal:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7163897.stm

What the fook's it all about?
Dave

They're demonstrating their pride at being part of 'The Footballers' Education Programme: The Alphabet' programme. A 26 week course which most of them manage to pass... Bramble has completed week 1 with flying colours.

Now if some bu&&er could teach him to defend, and that 'roasting' is something you do to a joint of beef....

Moot point thanks to Titus, but is 'Liverpool's Title Hopes' a legitimate entry for Totodeath?
Mezz

Um... that's not true, is it Dave?
Guest

http://www.astar-global.com/

answers!
Dave

Mezz wrote:
Um... that's not true, is it Dave?


It's not entirely implausible, though, is it?
Guest

Dave wrote:
They're demonstrating their pride at being part of 'The Footballers' Education Programme: The Alphabet' programme. A 26 week course which most of them manage to pass... Bramble has completed week 1 with flying colours.


You are a funny guy that made me laugh so much
Giovanni Lavafiume

He's a scream in real life.
Dave

More accurately, in real life, I make any poor s*d who has to listen to me for more than 5 minutes scream.

Gio's too polite to say, but my sense of humour is currently banned under the European Convention for Human Rights...
Mezz

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f...ms/n/newcastle_united/7179847.stm

Once again the Newcastle fan's belief that the world owes them a trophy has cost a good manager his job.

F**king Geordie-Tubbies.

"Eh-oh, divven't ya kna"
DP

tell what intrigues me, the betting patterns on the next manager.

Arry Redknapp was backed into even money at one stage with Alan shearer moving out to almost 42/1 and bigger - then at some stage last night, Shearer was backed into almost 3/1 and arry drifted - it flip flopped a bit, and this morning arry declares himself out of race ?!
all a bit wierd if you ask me....
Mezz

That screaming beached whale Jonathan Pearce mentioned something about the betting pattern and how it should investigated when he was yelping away on Football Focus this afternoon

Yesterday, I was certain that Redknapp would be sipping from the poisoned chalice that is the Newcastle job by lunchtime today and from what I heard him say this afternoon it seemed that he was pretty certain too, up until something behind the scenes changed his mind.

All rather strange.
DP

Dodgy as feck Mezz - especially if you look at the volume traded on BF for arry and co. I'm suprised BF haven't suspended their market in some way, as they have done in the past when similar things have taken place.

If you have a look at this:

http://sports.betfair.com/

and check the link on the top left (next NC manager) - have a click on the volume traded on Redknapp. At last check,   £4,558,792 by my reading    feel a bit gutted for the people that put tonnes on when the speculation mounted - they have been done
Dave

Wasn't there some unusual betting activity when 'Arry was appointed at Portsmouth?

I notice that getting rid of Allardyce led to an instant improvement in Newcastle's fortunes....
Sir George

You have to be either a special kind of mug or have insider knowledge to bet on such markets.  Of course people know who will be manager before he's appointed.  If I knew somebody who was going to be appointed to a job and a mug on Betfair offered me odds, I'd jump at it of course.  It's the only form of legal insider trading there is.
zeds

That Ronaldo is scarily good.
DP

Remembering your shrewd take on gambling on the previous forum, i;m thinking you must be tidying up via BF, George ?

Given the odds on Arry , it seemed value to lay:

1.27   £161,697
1.28 £153,334
1.29   £137,520
1.30   £149,767

This was the kind of money being matched by the guessers  - Arry has now drifted to 19/1    

Thinking this will go down in BF history along with Kieron Fallons 'alleged' race-chucking and Davydenko's match against Vassallo
DP

Slightly premiership related, i found this old link whilst cleaning out old emails (couldnlt help but chuckle):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC54A2PFwqw


Apologies in advance if anyone finds it offensive
Guest

Newcastle United and their supporters would be scattered haphazardly across the Solar System if it were up to me. Funny how the passionate Geordies - football's a religion up there, Brian, etc etc - produced an average attendance of 16,879 in 1990/91. I assume finishing 11th in the old Division 2 isn't mere coincidence. All of a sudden, when Newcastle played in the top flight in 93/94, having spent four seasons in the division below (in two of which they finished 20th and 11th) their average attendance jumped into the 30,000s for the first time since 76/77.
Giovanni Lavafiume

Hello George. Welcome to the dark side! I presume as no one else turned up I won the Foro Italia Christmas Golf Tournament yet again? BTW me and Ed are on Facebook if you want to join and chat up some pre-teens.
Dave

"He's had 15 minutes and hasn't turned the club around", complain Newcastle supporters...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f...ms/n/newcastle_united/7192457.stm

So, general consensus is that Newcastle's main problem is an inability to defend, yes? Logic therefore suggests that you appoint.... Kevin Keegan?
Liam

I think Newcastle have taken the opinion that they're going to lose anyway, so they might as well lose playing attacking football, and with the fans a bit happier.
Mezz

That seems to be what the Geordie-Tubbies want: 'We might lose 7-6, but at least we scored 6'.

That particular notion will wear off within about a month and 'King Kev' will do a bunk when the going gets tough, just like he did last time.

Those cocks and that fanny are made for each other...
zeds

What is so funny with this whole 'Keegan is God' business is that even at their peak in the mid 90's the greatest era for the club with 'King Kevin' Newcastle were still ultimately losers.

He's a bit of a basket case with his tendency to leave jobs unfinished for the next poor sod to fix, and of course Newcastle United are the biggest basket in the Premiership sponsored by Northern Rock the biggest basket case in the banking sector...so you see it all fits nicely.
Mezz

Like cocks and fannies.
Curva Fiesole

I expect to see Shearer in the mix somewhere, with Keegan as the guru to eventually handover to Shearer - whether Keegan hangs around long enough must be questionnable.

Sir Bobby would have been a better option IMO to guide Shearer but, as he's in my Totodeath squad, he'll be dead within the year!
Guest

Apparently Keegan is going to return Newcastle to the 'glory years'. I'm not exactly sure what that means.

Warren Barton cites the opening of new nightclubs and the development of new housing projects in Newcastle in the mid-nineties as a result of the positive vibe that Keegan brought to the city through football. Stop, please.

In the mid-nineties 'glory years' Newcastle probably had the second or third biggest spending budget (after Man Utd and Liverpool) and Keegan still failed to win an egg-cup. In 2008 the landscape of the English top-flight is very different since their budget is now also eclipsed by both Arsenal and Chelsea.

The only way Newcastle (or any club outside the top four) will challenge for title glory is a huge influx of money from sponsorship / tycoon. A truly sad indictment of top-flight English football.
Mezz

GramercyRiffs wrote:

Warren Barton cites the opening of new nightclubs and the development of new housing projects in Newcastle in the mid-nineties as a result of the positive vibe that Keegan brought to the city through football. Stop, please.


I watched that on Sky Sports News yesterday evening. I thought he was drunk.

What made me laugh was one of the interviews on NUFC's website. Some fella was on there having just hit the ticket office prior to the Stoke game and he was giving it "Ah've just bought thorteen tickets, like, and me 'n' the lads'll have a few drinks before the game and raise the roof at St. James' Park the neet, like. This is me forst game this season, like. The good times are back, y'kna".

If that's not a f**king glory hunter then I don't know what is...
Curva Fiesole

Mezz wrote:

If that's not a f**king glory hunter then I don't know what is...


Your average Chelsea fan?
ForzaFiori

The "Messiah" indeed! lol.
Liam

Gavin Peacock says: "The game may have changed in certain ways but the characteristics that make up a winner never do, and he has them in abundance."

I might be missing something here, but since when was Kevin Keegan a winner?
zeds

The Premiership is becoming an utter joke.

There's talk of a £3m fee for some League 1 player from Leeds.
£5m each  for Marlon King and James Mcfadden

How dare Wenger et al shop abroad
Mezz

I was with you up until you mocked the (rumoured) £5M fee for McFadden.

He's a player with great technical ability, two good feet and an eye for goal but he needs a run of starts in order to get the best out of him which is something he's never had at Everton.

Give him a full season as a starter for Birmingham and £5M could easily look like an absolute steal.
Dave

Liam wrote:
Gavin Peacock says: "The game may have changed in certain ways but the characteristics that make up a winner never do, and he has them in abundance."

I might be missing something here, but since when was Kevin Keegan a winner?


Well, he did win the old First Division (as it was, what's now the Championship) with Manchester City in 2002.

If you mean at the top level, then you're looking at 30+ years ago - and to be fair, he did win rather a lot of things with Liverpool, although the other 10 players had something to do with that too...
Curva Fiesole

He didn't actually win that much at Liverpool, a couple of leagues, an FA Cup and a European Cup - then he fooked off to Hamburg.

His major success at Newcastle last time was to finish second in a two horse race after the most spectacular collapse since Devon Loch.

On this basis, at United we can look forward to Dave Sexton replacing Fergoe when he finally goes.
Dave

3 League titles, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 FA Cup and 1 European Cup in six years isn't bad going, though...
Curva Fiesole

And the handbags with Billy Bremner in 1974.

And falling off his bike on Superstars.

Quite the star really
Sir George

Winning European Football of the Year twice hardly makes him a loser either.  And the twaddle about coming second in a two horse race ignores the fact that Keegan got them into the race in the first place.  When he took over Newcastle they were on the brink of the 3rd tier.  Their rise over the next 4 years was remarkable and achieved without the huge spending people usually assume.  The huge fees (on Shearer and lumps like Darren Peacock and Ferdinand) came after he'd already done the hard work of establishing Newcastle as a major European force.

What I like most about Keegan is that he's sufficiently confident in himself to talk utter twaddle in public.  Everybody who talks about football talks rubbish, but few are brave enough to talk anything but dismal cliche when you put them on telly.  Even people actually paid to talk about football (Shearer, Hansen, Lineker etc) make sure their every utterance is predictable, cliche-ridden and dull, dull, dull.

3 Cheers for the 3rd Coming I say.
Curva Fiesole

Sir George wrote:
establishing Newcastle as a major European force.


Good to see you're still on form George!! Remind me how far this major European force ever got??

And regardless of how Sir Kev got Newcastle back towards the top of the Premiership, they never won it and finished second in 1996 in what was a two horse race (in fact it was a one horse race until Newcastle self-imploded) - not twaddle but fact, unlike the "major European force" crap that you came out with.

FACT - Keegan has never won anything of importance as a manager and never will - he'll walk within a year.
Sir George

You're struggling a little with context Curva.  To decry Keegan's achievements as a manager on the grounds that "he won nothing" is just a little bit silly.  Very common of course, but silly.  Had he taken over Man Utd, Real Madrid or Rangers and been manager for 5 years without winning anyhing, the jibe would have meaning,  but he took over a club near the foot of the second tier and totally transformed that club by sheer force of his personality.  He did it in a unique style and his team played fantastic football.  He also played major roles in getting Fulham and Man City into the Premiership.  

That Keegan will walk out within a year isn't a "fact" Curva.  It's a pointless prediction dressed up as argument.  He may walk out and he may not.
Curva Fiesole

As a manager at Fulham and, to a lesser extent, at Man City, Keegan succeded because he met, or in the case of Fulham exceeded, expectations - get them into the Premiership and stay there.

Newcastle is different - they expect to win trophies and getting them into, and staying in, the Premiership isn't enough - if it were then they wouldn't have gone through the number of managers they have in the recent past.

In his biggest two jobs as a manager, at Newcastle and at England, where he is expected to succeed, he failed to deliver and walked.

As a manager with the ability to get teams into the Premiership, then he is a success - it's just that he has never managed to take teams onto that next level and win anything that matters, and I don't believe he ever will.

And the European force you mentioned? When he was manager at Newcastle, the best they managed (pre-Shearer et al) was the second round of the UEFA Cup in 1994!
Guest

This whole Keegan thing is pissing me off, he should just do the right thing and resign.

The idea of the Geordie soul makes me laugh, and how each and everyone of them pours their hearts into the club they love. 15 years ago they were barely getting 13'000 at home. Ha.

Plus the one time I've been their fans made no noise at all, despite winning 3-1.
Guest

diatribe wrote:
This whole Keegan thing is pissing me off, he should just do the right thing and resign.

The idea of the Geordie soul makes me laugh, and how each and everyone of them pours their hearts into the club they love. 15 years ago they were barely getting 13'000 at home. Ha.

Plus the one time I've been their fans made no noise at all, despite winning 3-1.


Newcastle United have absolutely plastic fans. Any sports journo or commentator churning out cliches to the contrary should be put down, as they are wasting perfectly good air. By contrast, Manchester United's average attendance during the 27 years they failed to win a championship was below 40,000 in only four seasons (one of which in 92/93 when they finally won the title again - reduced capacity due to Stretford End made all-seater). The season they were in Division 2 (74/5), average was 48.389.
Guest

All i can muster on the matter is that Im glad Harry had the common sense to turn down what is a poisoned challis of a job.

Makes me wonder if Keegan was the only person that was actually keen on taking the rains?
Guest

What a completely sh*t game Chelsea v Liverpool is every season. Shame on me for watching it.
Sir George

Well at least the Manchester derby provided marvellous entertainment and restored one's faith in human nature.  Congratulations to AIG for the achievement of getting their names on the mascots' shirts as well as replacing the names of the Munich dead on the advertising boards after kick off and also to the Man City fans for taking seriously the threat of 3 year bans for farting during the minute's silence.  Most of all congrats to Carlos Quieroz for the excllent comedy moment in blaming Buc's wee wee poor performance on Fabio Capello.

Anyway, it's a good job there isn't a global recession on the way, otherwise I'd be worried about the £42 million interest payment the Bucs have to pay each year......
Mezz

Still bitter about Ridsdale pinning Leeds United to the floor and f**king the very soul out of you, eh George?
Sir George

Yes, extremely bitter actually.  My emotional life is very much tied up with the fortunes of my favourite football team.
Giovanni Lavafiume

Leeds Utd's season does seem to be "doing a Wolves" at the moment.
Sir George

I've lost interest a tad to be honest.  I was pleased to see Gary McAllister return, but I expect he'll succeed only in steering the team  to mid-table before being shown the door.
VB

It looks like fourth place will be Liverpool’s after Everton’s loss to Fulham today. I suppose it was wishful thinking on my behalf to believe that Everton could actually upset the ‘ever increasing’ trend of the ‘big four’ topping the table.

What I find quite refreshing about Serie A is that the top four – come the end of the season – usually doesn’t consist of the same four teams.
Guest

True Van Basten, but Serie A is one big pile of turd at the moment. I can't deny I'm far more hooked on the Premier League, and that hasn't been the case for many years.
Dels

Why is Mascherano "stunned by sending off"? The guy ran 20 yards to confront the ref, being on a yellow already, he should have known better, just because someone who gets paid by Roman's millions can turn his back and act like a spolit child after a henious challenge can go unpunished doesn't mean they can all do it. Don't they know its one rule for one and one for another?

Anyway, totally disappointed at the Arsenal result yesterday, I thought just when they were getting written off as challengers, they would go and show the naysayers, alas its Manure's title to lose now, better them than Chelski though.
Dave

Ah, you see, he'd watched the England captain get away with it on a weekly basis; seen Paul Scholes mouth a variety of two-word phrases ending in 'off' at the ref every time a decision went against him, observed Ashley Cole deliver a possible leg-breaking tackle and then behave like a spoilt 3-year old towards Mike Riley, and thought that he was perfectly safe in joining the club.

Some sources suggest that the FA are contemplating issuing him with a longer ban for showing disrespect to the referee, which would be entirely in keeping with the shut stable door after horse has defecated and departed approach they favour. If they want to make an example, Cole's petulant little display should be given a yellow card, making two reds, while the next time Paul Scholes mouths off at the ref and doesn't pick up a yellow card, the FA should impose one retrospectively.

There's more than enough TV evidence available to illustrate players swearing at referees, and retrospective punishment with a yellow card would soon make a change. However, since Sepp Blatter is likely to find this an unacceptable step in the right direction, it won't happen.

I wonder, by the by, if it had been Rooney or another Man Utd player  whether the second yellow would've been issued, or if the card would've been awarded had the game been at Anfield? I wish I could say 'of course it would've been', but...
Guest

I hope Capello saw John Terry's antics yesterday - after Arsenal put the ball out just inside the Chelsea half because of an injury, Terry gave the ball back to Arsenal....by thumping the ball out for a throw-in deep into the Arsenal half, next to the corner flag, in fact. Prick.
Dave

To be fair, Michael, I think that the incident you describe was more a case of Terry failing miserably to pass it back to the goalkeeper, which does seem to be the norm these days when a side 'sportingly' (or stupidly, depending upon your point of view) puts the ball out in their opponent's half, only for the ball to come whizzing back to the goalie when it's returned.

However, it would appear that Don Fabio has been less than impressed with Terry's antics of late, since the widely expected appointment of 'JT' to the post for the France game hasn't gone quite as Terry seems to have anticipated...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7312855.stm
Guest

Dave wrote:
Ah, you see, he'd watched the England captain get away with it on a weekly basis; seen Paul Scholes mouth a variety of two-word phrases ending in 'off' at the ref every time a decision went against him, observed Ashley Cole deliver a possible leg-breaking tackle and then behave like a spoilt 3-year old towards Mike Riley, and thought that he was perfectly safe in joining the club.

Some sources suggest that the FA are contemplating issuing him with a longer ban for showing disrespect to the referee, which would be entirely in keeping with the shut stable door after horse has defecated and departed approach they favour. If they want to make an example. Cole's petulant little display should be given a yellow card, making two reds, while the next time Paul Scholes mouths off at the ref and doesn't pick up a yellow card, the FA should impose one retrospectively.

There's more than enough TV evidence available to illustrate players swearing at referees, and retrospective punishment with a yellow card would soon make a change. However, since Sepp Blatter is likely to find this an unacceptable step in the right direction, it won't happen.

I wonder, by the by, if it had been Rooney or another Man Utd player  whether the second yellow would've been issued, or if the card would've been awarded had the game been at Anfield? I wish I could say 'of course it would've been', but...


Great post.  

The lack of respect shown to referees in football is nothing short of disgaceful.  IMO lack of respect for referees = lack of respect for the game.    

To be honest I'm also tired of hearing the "we need to respect the officials like they do in Rugby" line.  They've been saying that ad nauseum for like 10 years.  

NBA has a better system, when a player backchats a referee it results in a technical foul (free throw and possession).  2 technicals = ejection.
Curva Fiesole

Mexico86 wrote:
To be honest I'm also tired of hearing the "we need to respect the officials like they do in Rugby" line.  They've been saying that ad nauseum for like 10 years.


You might be tired of hearing it, but it's true.  In rugby, any backchat leads to the penalty/free kick being moved forward 10m - they tried this in football then dropped it, I never could see why.  Had they extended this whereby, had that 10m taken the ball into the penalty area then it became a penalty, it would have been even better.

It's getting worse in football and all credit to Bennett for having the courage to show the red card to Mascherano, as he'd been maoning ever since his first yellow card.  If other refs were to clamp down on this then it wouldn't be such a problem.

There also needs to be consistency across all levels of football - I remember playing in a local league match where one of our players was sent off for swearing (at his team, not the ref) and was subsequently banned for 28 days, not one match or three matches - why should the Premier League prima-donnas be any different when they should be setting the example?
Guest

Curva Fiesole wrote:
Mexico86 wrote:
To be honest I'm also tired of hearing the "we need to respect the officials like they do in Rugby" line.  They've been saying that ad nauseum for like 10 years.


You might be tired of hearing it, but it's true.  In rugby, any backchat leads to the penalty/free kick being moved forward 10m - they tried this in football then dropped it, I never could see why.  Had they extended this whereby, had that 10m taken the ball into the penalty area then it became a penalty, it would have been even better.

It's getting worse in football and all credit to Bennett for having the courage to show the red card to Mascherano, as he'd been maoning ever since his first yellow card.  If other refs were to clamp down on this then it wouldn't be such a problem.

There also needs to be consistency across all levels of football - I remember playing in a local league match where one of our players was sent off for swearing (at his team, not the ref) and was subsequently banned for 28 days, not one match or three matches - why should the Premier League prima-donnas be any different when they should be setting the example?



Good post and agreed.  

My point re- the Rugby thing was more that they've been saying this for YEARS but NEVER seem to be doing anything about it that is lastable and sustainable.  

The 10m is slightly more valuable in Rugby due to the fact that every yard in Rugby is hard earned, but still I agree why did'nt they maintain that law.  
Guest

Dave wrote:
To be fair, Michael, I think that the incident you describe was more a case of Terry failing miserably to pass it back to the goalkeeper, which does seem to be the norm these days when a side 'sportingly' (or stupidly, depending upon your point of view) puts the ball out in their opponent's half, only for the ball to come whizzing back to the goalie when it's returned.


I did consider that Dave, especially with Terry's woeful passing ability, but even then Chelsea boxed Arsenal in to the corner, rather implying that it was intentional...

Oh well.
Guest

Michael La Viola wrote:
Dave wrote:
To be fair, Michael, I think that the incident you describe was more a case of Terry failing miserably to pass it back to the goalkeeper, which does seem to be the norm these days when a side 'sportingly' (or stupidly, depending upon your point of view) puts the ball out in their opponent's half, only for the ball to come whizzing back to the goalie when it's returned.


I did consider that Dave, especially with Terry's woeful passing ability, but even then Chelsea boxed Arsenal in to the corner, rather implying that it was intentional...

Oh well.



Yeah it wasnt cricket, Joe Cole was down in the penalty box, well away from the play with one of those "magic sponge" type injuries and Arsenal had the ball in the final third on the attack.

However I seem to remember a certain Arsenal/Sheff Utd FA Cup game a few years ago where Arsenal's usually impeccable sportsmanship [snigger] temporarily betrayed them.
Guest

Ya rio thumped the ball away after the ref had the audacity to give a free kick against them (after the mascherano and torres yellows); mind you he plays for england so you can imagine how the ref dealt with him...
Guest

Mexico86 wrote:
Michael La Viola wrote:
Dave wrote:
To be fair, Michael, I think that the incident you describe was more a case of Terry failing miserably to pass it back to the goalkeeper, which does seem to be the norm these days when a side 'sportingly' (or stupidly, depending upon your point of view) puts the ball out in their opponent's half, only for the ball to come whizzing back to the goalie when it's returned.


I did consider that Dave, especially with Terry's woeful passing ability, but even then Chelsea boxed Arsenal in to the corner, rather implying that it was intentional...

Oh well.



Yeah it wasnt cricket, Joe Cole was down in the penalty box, well away from the play with one of those "magic sponge" type injuries and Arsenal had the ball in the final third on the attack.

However I seem to remember a certain Arsenal/Sheff Utd FA Cup game a few years ago where Arsenal's usually impeccable sportsmanship [snigger] temporarily betrayed them.


True, although Kanu was making his debut and was apparently unaware of the system.

And, to be fair, we offered to replay the game, which Sheff United accepted.
Guest

Scolari at Chelsea

Scolari should play sexy football. Scolari is an outstanding motivator with a great record at Internationa level.

Anyone know if his record at club level? Cant be too shabby..
flotron

Only problem is he speaks no English... or is that not a problem?
Mezz

I think he's won some stuff as a club manager in Brazil, but that's about it.

He's apparently one of those managers who expects complete autonomy over club/team affairs, so why the f**k he's decided to take over at Chelsea is anyone's guess.
Dave

I suspect that the problem will be the inability of the English players to learn Portuguese ...

I would assume that some of the difficulties might be overcome via Carvalho (the other chap they've just signed?) doing the translation, though.

And to be honest, not sure how important an inability to speak the lingo at the start is so long as he's prepared to learn; if he's not, I suspect that Abramovich (who apparently speaks decent English) will change his mind for him on the grounds that he won't wish to learn Portuguese to converse with his employee...
Guest

Mourinho spoke no english and learnt. English football lingo isnt hard.

"Hoof it"
"Worked his socks off"
"SHOOT!"
"The referree was poor/is a wanker"
VB

I'm aware of his success with Brazil and Portugal, though what has the big man ever won at club level?
Curva Fiesole

Two Copa Libertadores, a Brazilian championship, three Brazilian cups and three South Rio Grande championships (which sounds like a train driving competition!)

He must have been out of club management for the best part of 10 years - huge gamble IMO.
flotron

He has a better record than Avram Grant did though and he nearly took them too the title and CL!
Guest

Bobo32 wrote:
Mourinho spoke no english and learnt.


You having a laugh Bobo? Everyone in the world knows that his first job in football was as a translator/interpreter for Bobby Robson...

Of course, Ricardo Carvalho, Paolo Ferreira, Jose Bosingwa, Alex and Juliano Belletti all speak Portuguese, so he won't be short of players who he can fully communicate with. If Scolari speaks Spanish (not sure if this is the case, I heard today that he does) then he'll also be able to converse with Claudio Pizarro, Claude Makelele and (possibly) Nic Anelka too.

Slightly risky IMO, but surely a better bet than Frank Rijkaard or Roberto Mancini.
zeds

Michael La Viola wrote:

Slightly risky IMO, but surely a better bet than Frank Rijkaard or Roberto Mancini.


Eh? both these managers have a proven successful track record in Europe.
VB

zeds wrote:
Michael La Viola wrote:

Slightly risky IMO, but surely a better bet than Frank Rijkaard or Roberto Mancini.


Eh? both these managers have a proven successful track record in Europe.


I think they might be referring to the 'potential' English language barrier that these managers might have encountered had they taken the post at Stamford Bridge... I'm sure that if I'm wrong, I'll be put right...
Guest

zeds wrote:
Michael La Viola wrote:

Slightly risky IMO, but surely a better bet than Frank Rijkaard or Roberto Mancini.


Eh? both these managers have a proven successful track record in Europe.


A proven successful track record? Neither Mancini or Rijkaard have done anything whatsoever to be considered particularly good football managers!

Mancini has done little. Yes, he's won three scudetti, but the first was not really 'won', the second was a walkover, and the third when Juve and Milan were not up to scratch, with Inter doing their best to throw the title away in the last few games. Look at Mancio's record in Europe when he has faced top teams and top managers - Inter haven't competed.

As for Rijkaard, in five seasons, should two league titles and one European Cup be considered a success? For me, with the financial resources and the squad Barca has, that's par for the course.

Listen, to have a 'proven track record', a manager must have done something to make their clubs overachieve. And, preferably, in more than one job. Those ^^ guys were merely parachuted into a big job because of their record as a player, did an OK job, won a couple of trophies, somehow have a reputation has a top manager simply because they managed a big club. Bollocks. If John Terry had not slipped last month, would Avram Grant have a 'proven track record'? Of course not, the guy has nothing special about him at all. Scolari has a terrific record in South American club football, has won the World Cup with Brazil, and has got the best out of a Portugal side lacking players in key positions. He's got a far, far better record as a manager. The issue of him not managing a club side in Europe is, as far as I can see, largely irrelevant.

Aside from leading terrific, multi-million pound squads to a satisfactory amount of success, Mancini or Riijkaard have nothing else to be proud of. Mancini set the ball rolling for Fiorentina's relegation, Riijkaard relegated Sparta Rotterdam for the first time in their history. Let's stop the ludicrous assumption that just because someone has managed a big club, they have a 'proven track record'.
zeds

Michael La Viola wrote:

As for Rijkaard, in five seasons, should two league titles and one European Cup be considered a success? For me, with the financial resources and the squad Barca has, that's par for the course.


Considering the state Barca were in when he took over, I think he did brilliantly. Let's not forget even before Rijkaard, Barca were splashing the cash, had big, big names players; Rivaldo, Riquelme, Figo etc.
in five years, Rijkaard had them playing some of the best football I've seen, and won 2 La Liga titles (missing out on a third on head to head results), and won the European Cup (one of the two in Barca's history).

This in my eyes constitutes great success, greater success than even Mourinho managed in his time (albeit shorter) at Chelsea.

You could say whatever about the competition when Mancini won the titles with Inter, but considering the basket case of a club they are, to get them into a winnning habit was an achievement.
Guest

[quote="zeds"]
Michael La Viola wrote:


This in my eyes constitutes great success, greater success than even Mourinho managed in his time (albeit shorter) at Chelsea.


That's perhaps arguable, but Mourinho's success at Chelsea is complimented by his incredible achievements with Porto, getting a small side to win pretty much every trophy going in Portugal in those two seasons, as well as both European trophies.

THAT is a proven track record - for me, Mancini and Riijkaard have done nothing extraordinary with one big club, whereas Mourinho did immensely well with one club, and a very good job with another.

As for Barca, the fantastic football played was, in my opinion, largely due to the incredible individual abilities of Ronaldinho, Messi, Etoo etc, rather than a cohesive team effort masterminded by the manager.

I probably sound like I'm incredibly anti-Mancini and anti-Riijkaard whereas I actually both like both of them, but I consider Scolari to be the better manager, based on evidence at this point in time.
Curva Fiesole

Surprised that no-one has mentioned the attributes of Mark Hughes, seeing as he was supposedly under consideration for the Chelsea job.
Duncan!

Rijkaard also took Holland to Euro semi's
Guest

But IIRC Holland were the favourites for that tournament (on home soil) so a semi-final was not a particularly great achievement.
Guest

Michael La Viola wrote:
But IIRC Holland were the favourites for that tournament (on home soil) so a semi-final was not a particularly great achievement.
Holland weren't favourites mate. France were WC champions and started favourites.

Mancini has properly won two league titles and a CI. Inter had cash splashed at them for a decade and only won when Mancini turned up. He instilled what none other than Zacheronni and Lippi had failed to do before him. A winning mentality.
Sure they walked to one title but Milan finished way more than 8 points behind (their initial penalty). Milan, unlike Juve, didnt have the mass exodus to contend with. Shevchenko left. Kaka got infinitesimally better.

Rijkaard has been responsible for Barcelona playing, along with Arsenal, the sleakest football in Europe. He's a poor man manager but has a beautiful footballing philosophy.

Having said this, Scolari has a better track record than both of them over a longer period of time. Success at club level in Brazil (winning leagues and contionental competitions) and managing a relatively poor Brazil side to the CL final is exceptional. Remember that under the influence of Scolari's predecessor Brazil almost didnt qualify at all for WC2002.
And Portugal, without a striker and having done poorly with the so-called golden generation, came in and dropped big stars (laters Mr Rui Costa) and has got to a European Championship final and a WC semis.
They could go far this Euros. Who would confidently assert against them?

Scolari has been in the game for 15 years at a high level, winning multiple trophies. He is an exceptional man manager and the best motivator in the game.

Scolari v. Ferguson v. Wenger v. Benitez.

Who's not excited?
Liam

Quote:
Mancini has properly won two league titles



The first one was won without opposition because Juventus were in Serie B and Milan focused on the Champions League.  Last season Inter would have finished 3rd without referees giving them a dodgy penalty every week in the first half of the campaign.  Mancini is not a top level coach and never will be.
Mezz

Bobo32 wrote:
Scolari v. Ferguson v. Wenger v. Benitez.

Who's not excited?


I'm excited, I reckon Chelsea changing their manager yet again has guaranteed Man United at least two more league titles.

Take that, granny-stabbers.
Guest

Liam wrote:
Quote:
Mancini has properly won two league titles



The first one was won without opposition because Juventus were in Serie B and Milan focused on the Champions League.  Last season Inter would have finished 3rd without referees giving them a dodgy penalty every week in the first half of the campaign.  Mancini is not a top level coach and never will be.
Without siderailing the thread too much...(haha.."I darn wanna be rude or notin but...<insert rudeness>")

If Milan concentrated on the CL it's because they didnt have the squad to fight on two fronts. Some team that is.
Juve are not the be all and end all of Italian football.

And this season the strongest team won. For all the talk of bad refereeing decisions, Inter breezed to the league and from late October onwards it was theirs to lose. Roma played the moat attractive football and there's some justice in not finishing 10+ points behind Inter, but Inter's collapse from their Champions League exit onwards was catastrophic.

Inter lacked a winning mentality for so many years (despite often possessing a squad at least as good as others) and Mancini instilled that. Mancini is a winner.
It is a winning mentality not attractiveness that secures victory. Comparisons can be drawn to Mourinho's time at Chelsea. Not pretty, but solid and so so strong. Winners.
It was the break down of that very cohesiveness at Inter that precipitated their near collapse.

Scolari, like Mourinho, Ferguson and Capello, knows how to create a solid team. A unit. A side willing to fight till the end for victory. A team that will run and run and run and take pride in their shirt.
This is the difference between these truly great managers and Mancini.
Guest

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7455112.stm

Good guy.
Guest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hezzTGkloJY hahah
Guest

Bobo32 wrote:
Michael La Viola wrote:
But IIRC Holland were the favourites for that tournament (on home soil) so a semi-final was not a particularly great achievement.
Holland weren't favourites mate. France were WC champions and started favourites.


Sorry sir, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20000604/ai_n14504918

Not sure with your point about dropping 'big names' - he did indeed drop Rui Costa, but Rui contributed a lot to Portugal's Euro 2004 campaign, with two goals, whereas the bigger star, Figo, played terribly throughout and petulantly stormed off after being substituted in the semi. If Scolari had had the balls to drop Figo, Portugal might have won the final.

Anyone want a meaningless stat? Portugal have won 'Group A' in the last three Euro tournaments.
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