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Duncan!

Forza Azzurri

If Italia do not qualify for Euro 2008, what is next for the Azzurri.

I could see players like Cannavaro and the Matrix retiring from La Nazionale.


Would Capello step in for the 2 year WC qualifying???
Myles

Doubt it, Capello's always said he'd never be the azzurri coach, but then again Capello is easily swayed when you dangle a big pay cheque in front of his face.

I see Foggia (Cagliari) has been included in the squad, is he really that good? Okay he's scored 3 goals from midfield but they're all rigori. If that's the only reason, it must be easy to get onto the squad these days!
Guest

Myles wrote:
I see Foggia (Cagliari) has been included in the squad, is he really that good? Okay he's scored 3 goals from midfield but they're all rigori. If that's the only reason, it must be easy to get onto the squad these days!

Why he's in there over Rosina, who's more versatile and has been playing at a consistently high level for more than 2 years I don't know...
Duncan!

And Lucarelli and Rocchi??? They are not international top quality.

Better to call up Pazzini and maybe Miccoli. If Italy don't get to the Euro's , don't make the same mistake in taking the same old team to the WC like Italy did in 86
Duncan!

Cannavaro played the whole game for Madrid the other day, why wouldn't he be ready for France. If Toni doesn;t start, which is looking likely, please oh please no Lucarelli. He is not Azzurri material.

Better to go with Pippo
Liam

Foggia is a good player from what I've seen, although I've only seen him play a couple of times. He was a constant threat against Juventus, and on that form is worth his place in the squad.
Duncan!

Good news that Toni might be ready for France. I am sick of the smack talking coming out of Gaul.

Who is WORLD CHAMPIONS beeeeeeooooooootttttccccccchhhhh!!!!!
Guest

Does anyone know if the Italy - France game is going to be shown live on tv? According to bet365 there is a tv sign next to the game but I've had a look through the schedules and can't see it on.
Guest

Rai

Rai International... if you subscribe.

http://www.international.rai.it/giostra/index.php
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the tackles are very very hard. Someone will be sent of guaranteed.
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Re: Rai

Luch wrote:
Rai International... if you subscribe.

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Thanks for that

I ended up watching it through sopcast and it was probably the best stream I have watched. I wish all games were streamed like it!
ForzaFiori

It really is some battle for qualification in the group. Delighted with the Scottish result yesterday, still in it and although Ukraine have slipped up they're not out of it either. Still hope Italy and Scotland go through.
Duncan!

Italy could have taken this game. But, it seemed it kind of ran out of steam in the 2nd half.

A few thoughts----

ADP should not start the next game-- he is not up to this level anymore.

The D was very good.

Italia missed Toni and Totti

Inzaghi by himself upfront does not work

Buffon is the best


AND finally, so what the fans jeered the French anthem.. If not for the stupid and borderline racist comments from the France camp, it wouldn;t have happened.


So shut up already.
nino

Duncan! wrote:


AND finally, so what the fans jeered the French anthem.. If not for the stupid and borderline racist comments from the France camp, it wouldn;t have happened.


So shut up already.


I'm sorry, but it's never needed. The French showed a lack of professionalism, but at a game when I hear booing over the opposition's national anthem I feel really embarrassed.
Duncan!

I didn't .


So, no Toni against Ukraine either. Iaquinta again??

Why not somebody else. Or change the tactics to the players strengths.
Guest

Yes, Duncan I feel the same about Del Piero. I think Donadoni got ir wrong. It isn't a game for the likes of DP. Everyone knows its gonna be physical, so I would have played Di Natale, or even Iaquinta. DP, unfortunately, lacks the pace and physical strengh for that sort of match.
juveboy

I think we would have seen a better Alex had the formation been better, I can't see how u some are blaming him for Saturday's match. i mean, he played off role, as a wing (alessandro del piero.... a wing donadoni, you're an idiot!).
he did what he could. none of his teammates helped him, nobody put pressure on french players, de rossi was 10 meters behind his correct position (even donadoni himself admitted it).... but de rossi never plays in that position, so it was a donadoni directive. del piero, playing as a wing, camoranesi couldn't cut inside, pirlo, well he almost didn't touch the ball.
Duncan!

I agree ADP was not in a great position, but just look slow and out of his depth in the game. I think the age of some of the players is starting to be a concern. Please, no Vieri-- he is done.

I would go with a 4411 for the game with Ukraine.

Buffon, oddo, Canna, Barzagli, Zambro, Camo, Pirlo, De Rossi, Aquilani, Di Natale, Inzaghi

If Italy lose, go with the young players the rest of the way--- Chiellini, Pazzini, Aquilani, Montolivo, etc.....

FORZA AZZURRI
Duncan!

If Il Mister persists with the 433, go with Quagliarella, Inzaghi, and Di Natale up front with Pirlo, De Rossi and Ambrosini in mid

Italy really need someone like Bianchi or Gilardino to really find form when Toni is unavailable.
Guest

Duncan! wrote:
If Il Mister persists with the 433, go with Quagliarella, Inzaghi, and Di Natale up front with Pirlo, De Rossi and Ambrosini in mid

Exactly the forward line I expected against France. You need guys like Quagli and Di Natale due to their pace and strenght.

juveboy: You said Pirlo almost didn't touch the ball? You sure you watched the game? Pirlo is the midfield that night. He is the only creativity Italy had. And what little chances Italy got (Del P, Inzaghi) were created by his incisive through balls. Go watch the game again.
Guest

sms wrote:
DP, unfortunately, lacks the pace and physical strengh for that sort of match.


what sort of match is that then? the 90 minute type! del piero is not going to be of any great use to the side unless italy can play a team like israel every week.

i agree theres not a great deal of choice upfront but i would go with quagliarella, who seems to be the best of the young/fringe forwards. playing alongside superpippo of course. i also dont understand why before toni's injury it seemed to be talk of toni or inzaghi, surely they would make for a good partnership.

im glad barzagli was given a chance at centre back. its a step in the right direction unlike the preposterous recalling of panucci!
Duncan!

My optimism is low about this game at the moment {boozed up and tired}

And SMS is right, Pirlo was the center of everything against France
Guest

CalaiÚ wrote:

im glad barzagli was given a chance at centre back. its a step in the right direction unlike the preposterous recalling of panucci!

Yeah, Bazargli. He really did admirably well.
juveboy

sms wrote:
Duncan! wrote:
If Il Mister persists with the 433, go with Quagliarella, Inzaghi, and Di Natale up front with Pirlo, De Rossi and Ambrosini in mid

Exactly the forward line I expected against France. You need guys like Quagli and Di Natale due to their pace and strenght.

juveboy: You said Pirlo almost didn't touch the ball? You sure you watched the game? Pirlo is the midfield that night. He is the only creativity Italy had. And what little chances Italy got (Del P, Inzaghi) were created by his incisive through balls. Go watch the game again.


Your right my friend, damn that skunk was good
Duncan!

A great win. The pace of Di Natale was quite a contrast to ADP and his pondering play at this level recently. Great win!

Great to see Panucci get a run. Surprised De Rossi didn;t feature though, but at least Aquilani did!!!

And even if Scotland winnig might not be the best for Italia, I like Scotland and they beat the f'n French which is always nice
Juvefans

CalaiÚ wrote:
sms wrote:
DP, unfortunately, lacks the pace and physical strengh for that sort of match.


what sort of match is that then? the 90 minute type! del piero is not going to be of any great use to the side unless italy can play a team like israel every week.

i agree theres not a great deal of choice upfront but i would go with quagliarella, who seems to be the best of the young/fringe forwards. playing alongside superpippo of course. i also dont understand why before toni's injury it seemed to be talk of toni or inzaghi, surely they would make for a good partnership.

im glad barzagli was given a chance at centre back. its a step in the right direction unlike the preposterous recalling of panucci!



Is that the same SuperPippo who was rubbish against France?
Guest

Good, Duncan. I know the Scots winning has complicated the group, but I'm just happy the french lost. Their arrogance and cockiness
ForzaFiori

Speaking of French arrogance:
They were unwilling to swap shirts at the end of last night's game. I really hope that by the time the last game comes along a draw is good enough for Italy and Scotland to go through. Then we can play out a really tedious, boring 0-0.
That'll really rile the French
Duncan!

And people wonder why the French get booed during their anthem. It's just the whole demeanor of arrogance and crap they put out. It is not directed at the nation as a whole {that wouldn't surprise me either though]
Guest

I'm sorry but it should be true that France have got the place to quarlitfy on the ground that Italia will have to crash with Scotland that means one must drop the points.So France just need to do the easy job by winning the rest 3 games.

The time is not for italia now as they must win against Scotland or they'll be in the 3rd place,assuming France win their match.So it would be easier for Italia if France just defeated Scotland last round to put Scotland in the 3rd place.

After all,i still hope to see France kicked out by Italia and Scotland.
Duncan!

Would be nice
Guest

Italy: Don drops Del Piero
Duncan!

Who is going to be the defence for the Georgia game?

Some of the forward selections raises a few eyebrows, hopefully Toni and Di Natale will start
Guest

Bazargli with no doubt has booked a place at the center and his partner should be picked among Panucci and Gamberini.The former one could provide experience and the later one is playing very well in the 2 seasons and Viola became the team conceding least goals was one fact to prove it.Gamberini is solid and stable but rarely catch people's eye and it would be nothing convincing of placing Bonera in the first line-up.
Duncan!

I would go with Barzagli and Panucci.

Of course, Chiellini can play either on the left or in the middle as well.
Guest

Will anyone be at Hampden Park for Scotland-Italy next month?
nino

I wish! I just get to see the Ita v Wales games when they come to town.

I heard the next game will be the last in the current WC winning kit. The next had better not be an unlucky one!
Guest

Bracey wrote:
Will anyone be at Hampden Park for Scotland-Italy next month?

Hopefully there will be thousands of celebrating scots fans. I'm sure there will be a few saddos supporting Italy
Duncan!

I get this sinking feeling that Italy and Scotland will tie, allowing France to jump in and eliminating Italy at the end

Italy controlled the game today and should have won by more. Panucci was very effective in the middle as was Barzagli. Q was pretty much invisible.
Guest

Why are De Rossi and Perrotta out of the team at the moment ?
ForzaFiori

Another wonderful result for Scotland!

If it comes down to the last matchday ( very likely ) at least Italy have the Faroes at home ( 3 easy points ) while France have to go to Ukraine.
zeds

As a fan of world football I'd hate to see Scotland progress at the expense of Italy or France. I'd rather see people like Quagliarella, Di Natale, Aquilani, Nasri, Benzema and Ribery shining at that stage not the likes of Darren Fletcher and Mcfadden. It will be a massive embarrasment for UEFA if this happened, since they must take the blame for screwing up their seedings to the extent that the two teams that contested the last world cup ended up in the same group. Especially when you look in other groups and see Greece, Turkey and Norway, three nations that weren't even good enough to qualify for the last world cup heading their group.
Guest

Quote:
It will be a massive embarrasment for UEFA if this happened


I think it'll be more of an embarrassment for the French/Italians if it were to happen. But it won't.
Duncan!

I agree with the seedings comment, but not with the farce if Scotland got in opinion. The Tartan army would deserve their place if they make it.

Ambrosini is being picked ahead of De Rossi at the moment, while I think Perrotta is a bit injured.

Watching the game, it was easy to see Buffon and Toni are the 2 indispensible players on the squad, followed closely by Pirlo.
Guest

I don't think there should be much institutional bias to ensure the "big" nations qualify. I get sick of the conservative views of fans of big clubs/countries who see the success of minnows as a direct threat to the footballing orthodoxy. Wouldn't the game be very boring if the same teams continued to win the tournaments, and that fairytales were to be subsequently snuffed out?

It is not the fault of UEFA if France or Italy fail to qualify as there are TWO automatic qualifying places.
zeds

Don't get me wrong if Scotland qualify fair enough they'd have deserved it. And if one of France or Italy don't make it shame on them. But you have to look at all groups and I just can't understand how UEFA have managed to have France, Italy and Ukraine in one group and Greece, Turkey and Norway in another, it is nonsensical.
Duncan!

I do agree with that

De Rossi also needs to keep quiet about Scotland. Yes, Italy are the better team historically, No that doesn;t mean Italia will win for sure.
Guest

U21: Greece 2-2 Italy
Curva Fiesole

zeds wrote:
Don't get me wrong if Scotland qualify fair enough they'd have deserved it. And if one of France or Italy don't make it shame on them. But you have to look at all groups and I just can't understand how UEFA have managed to have France, Italy and Ukraine in one group and Greece, Turkey and Norway in another, it is nonsensical.


All explained by Gabriele Marcotti in The Times on MOnday

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...riele_marcotti/article2658345.ece
Dels

All right. *Gets on soap box*

First off all the reason we donít have big names in our squad is because it is a very young team, the players are just making a name for themselves on the domestic, international and european competitions: Alan Huttonís only 22, Scott Brown only 22, James McFadden 24 & Darren Fletcher 23. Also, we have lots of young players that havenít made it into the international squad that are very talented, plus, some of the older players were very late developers like Lee McCulloch and Paul Hartley. Tell me whats wrong with watching James McFadden? Iíve been watching him since he first broke out into the Motherwell first team when he was a teenager, I witnessed as he tore apart a very experienced Dutch Rangers team coached by Dick Advocaat as a teenager, he has scored 13 goals in 35 internationals, it took Kenny Dalglish nearly 100 games to score 30. Had that goal against France been scored by Ronaldinho, Gerrard or Messi, people would be talking as if this was one of the greatest goals ever scored in international competition. *I* want to see James McFadden in an international tournament because he deserves it.

I donít think people quite understand what it is we are actually achieving here; we havenít been in a international tournment since 1998; this campaign started off on the back of a very torrid time under Bertie Vogts, the last time we played France they beat us 5-0. There is no money in the Scottish game most of these players have been brought up by the youth system of the smaller teams in Scotland, against the Ukraine they had a man who was worth £31 million, we had Scott Brown who is worth £4.4 million, slight difference there. We had to kick out a lot of the foreign imports and that has done the Scottish game a world of good (obviously Hearts are the exception). There is a feel good factor here in Scotland and even if we donít qualify, we will still be very proud of this team. When Celtic fans are praising Barry Ferguson and Rangers fans praising Stephen McManus and Aberdeen fans praising them both this is something we need grab at and hold because it doesnít happen very often.

Ah, France and Italy did so well in the last European Championships, didnít they? Who won it again? I think it was Greece. How many superstars did they have? Who can remember their first 11 without googling it? At least people in Lyon and Stuttgart will know who Lee McCulloch, Barry Ferguson, Alan Hutton and David Weir are and people in Milan will remember who Stephen McManus, Scott Brown and Paul Hartley are. And France will remember James McFadden.

People like to see big names in sport win things naturally especially the sponsors, but people also like it when the underdog does well too.
Curva Fiesole

And, as every Man United fan will tell you, Darren Fletcher is shit!
Dels

Not in a Scotland top he's not. Maybe he should wear his Scotland top under his Manure top.
Mezz

Trust me Dels, I'm Scottish and a Man United supporter.

Darren Fletcher is shit.
Dels

No, he's not. Not while playing for Scotland.
Guest

Half-Time: Italy 0-0 South Africa
Guest

Donadoni looks to the future
Duncan!

I really liked the performance from Gli Azzurri today. The players played with a lot of zip and energy, and kept the pressure on S.A most of the game.

Foggia was awesome in his time on the field, as was Rosina and many of the others.

Lucarelli really came alive when Gila came on and freed him up from the lone striker role.

Good hope for the future-- wouldn't mind seeing more of this

As for Donadoni, he has a decent record overall. His first games were iffy , but coming off of the WC win it was going to be difficult. I think he should be given a chance right now to grow with some of te young players
Guest

Donadoni picks Palladino
Guest

Under-21: Italy 5-0 Azerbaijan
Guest

Scotland-Italy line-ups
Guest

Donadoni: We earned our ticket
nino

Lovely stuff, tho it's a shame to see the Scots not qualify.
Guest

Domenech: I motivated Italy

Myles

www.calcioitalia.co.uk wrote:
Domenech: I motivated Italy


Domenech is such a wanker, unbelieveble, arogant prick, f**kin spanner!
Myles

Actually, if Ireland ever play a friendly with France in the spring, i will personally go ther a kick the f**k out of Domenech myself.
Myles

Actually, i'll get my mate to record it and post it on here for proof!!!
Duncan!

Forza Italia!!!! Great result !! The only shame is the f'n Frenchies will get in and Scotland won't!!!

Great game form for the Azzurri!!!
Mezz

I'm absolutely devastated, and it's going to take a long, long time for my anger to subside.

How the referee saw the assault on Hutton as a free kick to Italy I'll never know, but I hope that he gets strung up by UEFA for what has to be one of the poorest decisions in footballing history.

I only hope that McLeish stays on for the World Cup campaign, but I can see him being poached by a Premiership club

McFadden reckons there was some sort of conspiracy in order to get both France and Italy through, as the tournament sponsors would much rather have France & Italy there over Scotland, but I think he's clutching at straws and is desparately trying to make sense of being f**ked over by a moronic Spanish c**t.

Congratulations to Italy, I'll be cheering for you next summer...
nino

www.calcioitalia.co.uk wrote:
Domenech: I motivated Italy



Grazie Domenech!



*blatently stone from Calcioblog.it but it made my morning.
Dave

Perhaps McFadden read the old foro circa 2002, and was inspired by the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories that some loon put forward (I forget his name)?

To be fair, while the ref wasn't brilliant, I thought that the free kick that wasn't came from some frenzied flag-flapping by the linesman, rather than the ref making the call? I got the impression (perhaps wrongly) from the commentary that the ref seemed to assume that the linesman had a better view and couldn't possibly be such a numpty as to award the free kick the wrong way...

Given that they clearly shared a taste in 'taches in the 70s/80s, perhaps Graeme Souness could be despatched as Scottish ambassador to thank Domenech for his input?
Duncan!

Well, I do like Scotland and wish they would have gotten in, but to cry about the ref is a little much. Di Natale and a valid goal disallowed, and Ferguson's goal was clearly offsides. So if the ref sucked , he did for BOTH teams.

As for Domenech and the French..
zeds

I don't think it was a freekick either way, it was merely a shoulder to shoulder challenge, and play should've continued. Yes, Ferguson was offside for his goal.

Slightly off topic who's the kid that scored FOUR goals for the Italian U21's on friday?
Guest

zeds wrote:
Slightly off topic who's the kid that scored FOUR goals for the Italian U21's on friday?


Sebastian Giovinco set up four goals, he didn't score them. He is owned by Juventus and currently on loan at Empoli.
zeds

www.calcioitalia.co.uk wrote:
zeds wrote:
Slightly off topic who's the kid that scored FOUR goals for the Italian U21's on friday?


Sebastian Giovinco set up four goals, he didn't score them. He is owned by Juventus and currently on loan at Empoli.


Cheers Mr .co.uk. Assisting is just as good as scoring in my eyes
ForzaFiori

We were robbed.... but only of a draw, which was no good to us anyway. Caught napping in the 1st minute, and that's what cost us.The defending there was comical and they couldn't deal with Di Natale at all.
Other than that we dominated and had our chances.Still can't get over how good Hutton was and how many times he beat Zambrotta.
The good thing is that Davie Weir aside the rest of that team will be there for the next campaign and we'll be in the 2nd seed pot for the draw.
Had to laugh at Buffon and his waterproofs. Big Jessie!
zeds

ForzaFiori wrote:

Had to laugh at Buffon and his waterproofs. Big Jessie!


To be fair Buffon does play in Turin where it probably rains more than it does in Glasgow
Guest

According to the Gianluca Vialli/Gabriele Marcotti book it rains more in Italy then it does in Britain, (or maybe just england...)
It is however more windy!
Guest

Half-Time: Italy 3-0 Faroe Islands
Guest

World Cup 2010 draw smiles on Azzurri
Myles

Totti - ďThe question about my return to international football seemed absurd, so I gave an absurd answer,Ē.

We're not worthy of your absurd answers!
Duncan!

The Italia Nazionale Thread

What's your guys opinion on Lippi returning. † I see pro's and con's in it. † How can he top winning the WC? † But after seeing Spain win the Euro's, and seeing as how close Italia was to beating them in the quarters's, I think it might be able to be done.

We played Spain without 3 starters, with bad tactics, and a misfiring forward, and STILL could have taken the game.

I hope Lippi brings in even more young players and molds them into a nice spine of Buffon, Chiellini, Pirlo, De Rossi. † I wouldn;t mind seeing Nesta come back into the fold and team up with Chiellini, but I think the ship in La Nazionale has sailed for ADP, Totti, Matrix, Ambrosini, and maybe even Toni.
Guest

What? For Italy there are pros pros pros. He will command the utmost respect as he has won it and will play a dynamic style. Hopefully with the young talent Italy has in abundance.

For Lippi there are risks in terms of his reputation but there would be at ANY job after winning the world cup. What you saying? He should retire?
He wouldnt be World Champion if he didnt take risks and bust his balls.
Mezz

Re: Lippi Reloaded

Duncan! wrote:
How can he top winning the WC?


Winning it again, perhaps?

I was quite surprised / concerned when I heard Lippi was back in the hot seat.

Surprised, because he's done bugger all for the last two years and I would question whether he still has the drive to succeed.

Concerned, because at first it seemed like a panic move by the FIGC after an absolutely dreadful Euro 2008. It's like they're saying "He was alright, let's get him back in, he's bound to win us something if he done it before. Isn't he?". Just seems like a backwards step to me.

The man for the job in my eyes would have been Prandelli, but I'm obviously glad he's staying at la Viola as I really don't want to lose him. Failing that, Spaletti would have been a good choice.

Of course, I sincerely hope my doubts regarding Lippi are dispelled as quickly as possible as I want a competitive, attractive Azzurri side back in my life as much as anyone.
Guest

Lippi's press conference
nino

Re: Lippi Reloaded

Mezz wrote:

Concerned, because at first it seemed like a panic move by the FIGC after an absolutely dreadful Euro 2008. It's like they're saying "He was alright, let's get him back in, he's bound to win us something if he done it before. Isn't he?". Just seems like a backwards step to me.


I don't know, it's not as if the FIGC booted Lippi then asked him to return. He left of his own accord. I'm sure they'd wanted to have kept him on and so would understandably welcome him back.

I would have liked to see someone like Spalletti, Prandelli or Ancelotti take the reigns but as they are club committed I'd prefer Lippi than another Donadoni. I like him but I think he should have worked his way up more. Experience with a big club would have seen him learn to handle media and other pressures. Which he just didn't do.
Liam

Lippi's the best, and you can't say no to the best.  The only cons are for Lippi himself if it all goes wrong in South Africa.  For the Italian national side though its all positive after the mess Donadoni made of the Euros.
Duncan!

I hope he let's Materazzi, Ambrosini, ADP etc...  wave goodbye to the national team.   If anything showed at the Euro's is that the younger players need to be brought thru and keep a few of the vets around for the experience and guidance.  

I really hope Gilardino can get right and grab the forward spot back as well
Guest

Capello would have been my choice but for one small problem...
flotron

Also Capello has always made it clear that he doesn't want to coach the Nazionale
Guest

And you take Capello's word seriously?
Guest

Disappointing to see Lippi going back to the Azzurri, he should be back at Juve.
Duncan!

I hope, and I mean hope, that Lippi goes with the younger players as the way forward.

Buffon yes       Pirlo yes

I would also try to get Nesta to return as well

After that, let's see Chiellini, Montolivo, Aquilani, Motta, Giovinco, De Ceglie, De Rossi , Gilardino, etc....
Guest

Lippi calls Gila, cuts Cassano
Duncan!

What did Cassano do to be dropped?  Glad to see Gila get the call up
Guest

Lippi has to be a cyat if he doesnt recall Cassano really soon, its clear the lad has much to give and he's even making an effort to behave himself...

i dont mind gila but not as cassano's expense...
Guest

Half-Time: Italy 1-2 Austria
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Italy squad: Cannavaro's comeback
Duncan!

Lippi is sticking with the old guard for tooooooooo long.  Enough with them... where is the new blood?
Guest

Blatter hands over World Cup to Cannavaro - only two years late!
Liam

www.calcioitalia.co.uk wrote:
Blatter hands over World Cup to Cannavaro - only two years late!

If I was Fabio Cannavaro I'd have refused to take part and not give that idiot Blatter a photo opportunity.
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