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Lazio fan killed - Serie A stopped?

Breaking news, Serie A Week 12 could be halted after a Lazio fan was killed in fights with Juventus supporters. It's reported a policeman's bullet proved fatal.
Roma Girl

So its ok to kill a fan.. serie a goes on... bello... a cop dies the world comes to a stand still.. why is a policemans life worth more??? are we not all equal. Inter-Lazio cancelled... no decision on other matches. Fans fighting with police at th atalanta-milan match... there is always fighting at service stations between fans. Serie A should be stopped as fans will be fighting with police instead of watching the football. Im not looking forward to going to the stadium tonight now....
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Official: Inter-Lazio postponed
blackandblue

Why don't the so-called fans just stop fighting in the first place? I just don't understand the mentality . Someone calls the police (with guns) and you just know it's going to end in tears.
Roma Girl

Apparently it was Juve fans from napoli involved. Traffic police shot the guy... from pictures on the tv he was in the car when he was shot. They are saying he was hot by accident.. not sure houw you accidently shoot someone. Cant believe they arent even having a minutes silence before the games.
Roma Girl

Atalanta-Milan suspended.
Guest

why would traffic police need guns?
Although this is italy...
blackandblue

Even the Financial Police have guns in Italy (grey uniforms) . Maybe it's unsafe to check VAT receipts.

And what the hell's going on in Bergamo?
zeds

Roma Girl wrote:
So its ok to kill a fan.. serie a goes on... bello... a cop dies the world comes to a stand still.. why is a policemans life worth more??? are we not all equal. Inter-Lazio cancelled... no decision on other matches. Fans fighting with police at th atalanta-milan match... there is always fighting at service stations between fans. Serie A should be stopped as fans will be fighting with police instead of watching the football. Im not looking forward to going to the stadium tonight now....


According to Sky the Roma game has been postponed also.
Roma Girl

Roma game cancelled as there is already rioting at the stadium…. I was just about to go! Lazio fans have apparently gone there to fight the police. The main groups of the Curva Sud had planed not to go anyway out of respect... Seems there will be big trouble there tonight.

The guy was shot as they were already leaving the service station.. long after any fighting took place. The policeman says he shot into the air...mmmm...

You should see what they did at Atalanta! they destroyed the stadium. Guess how many they arrested?! ZERO! Some things never change.
Roma Girl

Rosa - even the finance police carry guns here.....
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Roma-Cagliari called off
Liam

The whole situation is very messy from what I've seen and heard. Without knowing the full facts of this story I cannot comment too much, but if this was supposedly a small scuffle, why was a gun needed?
Roma Girl

Kicking off big time here in rome.....ultras setting police cars/ buses on fire.. they tried to get into a police station (70 fans with their faces covered).

The guy was a DJ here in rome and was friends with many of the lazio players.. he was even the dj at one of the players birthday...

Luckily there is the break for the national team next week.. hopefully things will calm down but i doubt it. Im not looking forward to the next home game. [/b]
Roma Girl

The police have all but admited they are at fault...he meant to fire into the air. just didnt do it high enough. just read that 400 ultras tried to get into another police station...Now they have started getting to the CONI offices at the Olimpico...
Dels

So Lazio & Juventus fans were fighting in Milan? Why?
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Lazio star: He was my friend
Roma Girl

Lazio fans travelling from rome and juve fans travelling from naples met at a service station on the A1 and had a small fight (happens every weekend.. usually by appointment)... After the fight the lazio fans drove off at whcih point a traffic cop fired in to the air.. but not high enough.. not sure why he fired the gun as nothing was happenin at the time.There are now riots all over rome.. ultras going after the police.
Dels

I see. The Italian authorities need to get this violence sorted out. Maybe its because I'm a woman but I don't see why people can't just enjoy the football. I don't like Celtic but I'm not going to fighting with anyone. I thought hooligism was so the 80s.
Roma Girl

Believe me... i often feel like im livin in the 80s over here!!! This country is years behind in everything!
Guest

Police: It was an accident
Guest

This all seems like a very, very unfunny joke. Without mentioning the obvious and asking why was a gun necessary for a small scuffle, setting off a firearm at a petrol station the guy's lucky he didn't blow the place up.

I don't really know what to say that hasn't been already, this is the last thing we all needed. Am supposed to be going over there in 3 weeks as well.
Duncan!

Why are these morons fighting at a station in the first place? So the ultras now have a riot to "even" the score??? Gosh, this is stupid
Guest

The whole incident and aftermath is symptomatic of the total lack of order in Italy.

The place is a genuine powder keg largely populated and governed by complete idiots.
verno

I heard talk of a civil war on the news last night. Why must everything be so over the top ?
Shit like this will keep happening until these twattish Ultras are muzzled.
zeds

With the international break coming up, not sure this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7091306.stm is needed.
Roma Girl

out of 400 rioting last night a grand total of 3 were arrested (one was female..and not me!). At the atalanta game no one was arrested.. why dont they arrest this people when they are commiting the crime?? why do they wait to do it after the event at which point it is too late.
Dave

From the sounds of things, the police officer fired the weapon from over 200 yards away - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7090170.stm

Even though he had a negligent discharge with an accidental second shot, the idea being put about that this was a deliberate attempt to kill the victim is ludicrous.

I've not handled a pistol (why is it that handling guns has a whole array of double entendres 'handling weapon', 'discharge'?) in years, and wouldn't be confident of hitting anything, let alone anyone from more than 20 yards; a skilled shot wouldn't even think of hitting anything from more than 80 yards. Someone completely unfamiliar with a pistol would do well to hit anything at 15 yards.

However, the Ultras seem to be using the idea of a pre-meditated action as an excuse for some muscle-flexing - and I can't help thinking that by putting themselves in a position where they are, in effect, challenging law and order, they may be heading for a rather hefty fall they're not anticipating...
Guest

reporting standards

and hardly a mention anywhere about the 20 police injured by 'fans' after the Birmingham - Villa Derby yesterday!
Duncan!

Round up these idiots and throw them in jail
Roma Girl

Its seems it wasnt so accidental... he shot with both arms out straight in front of him...
Guest

Lazio death

Romagirl - So how are feeling running in Rome now? Does it dominate the 'water cooler' discussion? The conspiracy theory is always king in Italy but I think this really may have been a terrible accident, how do Romans feel about it?

I've read a lot of English language reports and stuttered my way through Corriere dello Sport and one thing seems to strike me - that the tragedy has united the opposing Ultras albeit briefly against a 'common enemy', however misguided.

I love the spectacle of the coreografie, the Curva Sud in Stadio Olimpico. The terrace violence itself is choreographed to some extent, its ritual rather than spontaneous. The police are actors in this choreography too, you can almost set your watch to the halftime attack under the stadium as the Laziale go beneath the stand to attack the Romanisti through the terrace exits. I sat 20 metres from such an attack with a father and his two kids at last season's Derby - they were enthralled by it all but not frightened. the little boy and girl spent the whole evening glued to the Curva, the flags, flares, firecrackers and most of all the singing, they will remember that forever.

It would be a shame to lose the atmosphere generated by Ultra fans, which is almost unique to Italy now in western Europe. I am not defending the violence at all, in no way, and I even am a bit worried about my next trip to Rome for the ManUtd match in case I am mistaken for an English supporter by some thug with a knife. That said, there needs to be an accommodation found, power must be removed from the Ultras for sure but driving them all from the stadiums and onto the streets can't be the answer either.

Calcio is an intrinsic part of Italian life and society, for better or worse, it will always be infused with the passion that is so absent in the like of the premier league grounds - but the savage element needs to be tempered.

Here's an interesting blog on the weekend's events by Paolo Bandini in the Guardian and you can leave comments too...
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport...n_tragedy_sends_the_fight_ag.html
Roma Girl

They use football as excuse to fight.... unemployment is high and salaries are very low... they take their anger out on the police, who are certainly not innocent. The ultras are fighting against the establishment/ government. the police are not paid well here and I guess are sick of having to deal with this people adn so they react the way they do. I've walked past riot police and heard them saying come on lets get ready to get them when they come back. They go after men and women..it doesnt matter. They have no idea how to deal with crowd trouble... they use tear gas when it isnt necessary.. they have no idea. Ive lost count of the number of times ive been tear gassed and im certainly not an ultra. They just have no idea. The derby is the most tense game of the year yet they let the fans mix in the stands and everytime they fight...how stupid are they. Yet when we play say Parma, the 10 away fans are sectioned off and surrounded by 100 riot police.. where is the common sense in that???

The games should never have been played. Im sure there would still have been some violence but certainly not the extreme that we saw on sunday night. This wont just go away. Im sure the next time I go to the stadium there will be problems. But as you see from the numbers arrested these things happen and the ultras get away with it. Between 400-1000 rioting and destroying building in rome and they arrest I think 8 people??? They never ever arrest people at the time of the crime.. they try to arrest them the next day..same when they are at the stadium. Why?? Why not go into the Curva? The police wont even walk under the Curva let alone go in it. Until these things change then it will continue like this.

Here they say that havent found the Juventini that they were supposedly fighting with. I think the fighting had long since finished when they drove off out of the service station...
Guest

Well, I think with all due respect that it is wrong to accuse ULTRA movement sitting in England and reading papers.

I am not classical ULTRA even I will stand line vs any policeman of this world...as they are not different from some merda on the stands...

If I were some of people here I would accuse every f**king British tourist that make troubles in Greece islands year by year...and said, well 'why police dont kill them'

Dont talk if you dont have clue about it...and dont judge about people you dont know.

Someone had problems visiting any Curva in Italy? I mean people from Britain are welcomed at Curva Scirea even when some Juventino heard England, there are first thought about you know...our brothers that were killed.

But it is stupid to make any conclusions about what you see in papers or it is presented by media...as they are terrorists and send just one side of the story.

Agree with some opinions that few hundred of morons used tragic death of innocent man to make more troubles at Rome.

About Bergamo disturbances it was just protest about games being played.

Why life of ordinary people is less worth that life of policeman.

No merda just want to play games...

Hope you understand my opinion...
blackandblue

I really want to reply properly to Drughi's rant but i don't think it will be worth it . The emoticon he uses at the end says it all.
zeds

I sympathise with a lot (if not all) of Drughi's sentiments. In this country we do like to spout our holier than thou rhetoric with regards football violence. And yes to some extent we are justified but let's face it, we live in the most yobbish nation in Europe and are hardly in a position to preach on the best forms of controlling larger louts.
Dave

Roma girl - I don't think you can judge whether or not it was deliberate from the stance adopted when holding the gun.

From 200 yards-plus, standing with the gun held in both hands, arms out in front of you could still mean the bullet would pass well above the heads of those the round was meant to warn; angle the wrist and the height at which the round travels increases.

Not to say that the policeman is completely innocent (there seem to be at least two instances of weapons handling numptiness on his part), just that his firing stance is no safe pointer to what he intended to do.
Guest

Roma Girl wrote:
They use football as excuse to fight.... unemployment is high and salaries are very low... they take their anger out on the police, who are certainly not innocent. The ultras are fighting against the establishment/ government. the police are not paid well here and I guess are sick of having to deal with this people adn so they react the way they do...


well said.

the facts of the shooting are almost irrelevant to the whole story - I believe it was an accident - the stupidity of firing a warning shot seems to have been forgotten by most people (bullet has to come down somewhere!)

Any news on Totti's foot?
blackandblue

I think he takes a size 10...
Guest

Calcio stops for Sandri
Guest

Asking for all the games to be cancelled on Sunday is political manipulation. You can't start to compare the death of a policeman in the line of his duties policing a civil riot between opposing derby fans and the tragic (but seemingly) accidental death of a Lazio fan after a small skirmish in a car park. A huge question has to be raised as to why the traffic cop felt the need to fire warning shots anyway?But that is just bad policing and he will be punished. The Ultras have seen the chance to redress the balance after the tightening up of regulations following Raciti's death. Don't give me unemployment, low salaries or any other proto Marxist bullshit. I remember it surfacing in the 70's and 80's in this country, politicise all you like but pond life wanting kick/slash/terrorise other pond life is what it boils down to. If you want to topple your government mask up, head on to the streets with pick axes and molotovs and do your fighting there. DON'T GO DOWN TO THE STADIO ON A SUNDAY where parents take their children to see their heroes, where people at the end of the working week want to lose themeselves on a field of dreams and where passion that has been passed from generation to generation is shared and enjoyed.
Duncan!

Well said!!
blackandblue

Ditto. Said almost everything I wanted to say but didn't because I didn't want to be drawn into a useless argument ....good man.
Guest

Look Spagbelli, you can race for some elections with that kind of speech. But it is not about blah, blah, blah statements...kids, Sunday relax and similar crap, it is real life.

Man, fans want games to be stopped in order to pay tribute to innocent man killed and also to prevent some other tragedy...

Fans asked the same after policeman killing in Catania, for your information...

To redress the balance

Man, if ULTRA movement cant think about it...no leaders of fans are too stupid to think about such detailed approach

Do you really think that new regulations brought safety to stands

Yes, like calciopoli cleared soccer

Now there are great refs decisions week after week as your club will at the end send Moratti to be ref at Juve matches in order to take title

And also there are no fixed matches as end of last season showed

Man, man, man...dont talk about things you dont understand.

And yes, blackandblue, emoticon dont mean I will kill someone, it is just joke...

Man we are peaceful people in Italy, we lost every f**king war and just know how to make stupid marches and have big mouth...nothing else

Man, we are not masters of free world, we are just slaves, like Iraquies, my relatives in France, my friends on Balcans...

So emoticon dont mean nothing agressive by me...

Peace brothers

Curva Fiesole

The killing of the policeman in Catania happened on a Friday evening, giving the authorities almost 24 hours to call off all other matches that weekend. The death of Sandri happended mid-morning on the Sunday giving the authorities much less time as many fans would have already left for the matches.

I totally appreciate what you are saying Drughi but, in the circumstances, I don't see how the authorities could have safely cancelled every match that afternoon.

I think they have made the right decision in cancelling all games this weekend as a mark of respect.
Roma Girl

the incident happened at 9am... they just kept it quiet til after midday so they could have stopped the games. Dont know why they waited til 6pm to cancel the Roma game... i was just about to leave for the stadium.
Guest

Drughi I'm feeling your love fratello . . . . but no election speech here . . . just what I feel. I'm pleased they have cancelled games as a mark of respect this week and that players representing the azzurri at all levels will wear black armbands. The death of a fan is serious shit. Next the Ultras will be claiming that if it wasn't for their direct action on Sunday that decision wouldn't have been taken!!!
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Atalanta chief blasts complacent clubs and Ultras arrested for rioting are released
Duncan!

Can people just go to a game and not fight, break plexiglass, try to get games called off thru violence, etc....

IT IS A GAME PEOPLE!!!
Guest

The innocent man, Drughi as it happens, was found with stones in his pockets, with his friends he was waiting in ambush to assault 5 Juventus supporters. Aside stones, knives and umbrellas were found carried by the Lazio fans.

Now the bullet that killed the 'saintly' Lazio individual, following in depth reconstruction, it appears to have ricoched off the ground.

Why did these 9 Lazio fans followed a Mercedes of 5 Juventus fans going in a different direction?

And that Totti turns up at the funeral...all Italian Ultras united in the 'gfrief'.

f**k OFF. .
Guest

They met at parking...and of course it was clash because in Mercedes there were ROMANS supporting Juve.

Still dont believe in police version...

I didnt say he was saint...but still there is no difference between ULTRA and police...still dont believe he was real ULTRA...some things which I wont argue pointing at other direction...

He just payed for nothing...
Guest

The Atalanta ultras handed out leaflets before the match with Napoli apologising to the city the fans and the player's for their actions against Milan
Guest

That was a nice gesture.
Guest

Classic drughi here hahaha
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S.S. Lazio



Quote:
Società Podistica Lazio, or Lazio Athletics Club was founded on January 9, 1900 in the Prati district of Rome. Therefore Lazio is the oldest Roman football team. Wanting to encompass more than just the city of Rome that they were from, the club's nine original founding members[1] chose to name Lazio, the same name as the region of Italy in which the club is located.

Their first ever match of football came in 1902 against Virtus, a match considered, albeit unofficially, to be the first Rome Derby. That match was played at Piazza d'Armi, near Piazza Mancini, and Lazio duly won 3-0 with a hat-trick from centre-forward Sante Ancherani.

In 1907, the Italian Football Federation sponsored a Roman championship called I Categoria, which Lazio won, defeating early rivals Virtus in the final. Nonetheless, they were not invited into any national championship despite their success.

Lazio joined official league competition in 1912 as soon as the Italian Football Federation began organising championships in the center and south of Italy, and reached the final of the national championship playoff three times, but never won, losing in 1913 to Pro Vercelli, in 1914 to Casale and in 1923 to Genoa.

In 1927 Lazio was the only major Roman club which resisted the Fascist regime's attempts to merge all the city's teams into what would become A.S. Roma the same year. This was due to Giorgio Vaccaro, a general in the Fascist regime and influential in the sporting landscape. A true Lazio fan, Vaccaro defended the club's right to keep its identity and Lazio were the sole opposition to the new team.




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"Salutiamo il nostro simbolo, l'emblema dell'Impero Romano, l'orgoglio della gente Laziale. Onoriamo la storia, e sosteniamo la Lazio, la squadra che ha portato il Calcio a Roma. Scende in campo, con la maglia bianca e celeste, la prima squadra della Capitale!"
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Mercato 2011/12

IN

- Klose
- Lulic
- Marchetti (?)
- Cissé (?)

OUT

- Lichsteiner (?)
- Muslera (?)
- Zaraté (?)
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Shirts 2011/12

Unofficial



The colours would be correct, though.

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* Domingo Berlanga has signed for Lazio. It's a 16 year old striker who played for Cornellà, where he scored 29 times last season. Also Barcelona wanted him, yet he chose Lazio. His biggest wish, he said, was to play the Rome derby, and be under the Curva Nord.

* Today Lotito will talk with Marotta (Juve) about Lichtsteiner. There is still a small difference between what Lotito asks (12m) and what Juve is willing to give (10m).

* In Rome there will be talks about a possible transfer of Garrido and Foggia to Cesena. Marco Parolo would come as an exchange.

* Zauri is returning to Rome this summer. His agent is hoping to talk to Lotito and Reja about him. Apparently Parma is interested.
nino

Nice shirt designs. But are they pure fantasy or based on something real?
Liam

What do you think of Zarate?

Genius or idiot?
Guest

nino wrote:
Nice shirt designs. But are they pure fantasy or based on something real?


Fantasy, sadly enough, really like these designs too. Unicef was said to be on our shirts, though I doubt they will be.
Guest

Liam wrote:
What do you think of Zarate?

Genius or idiot?


First year he was good. At this point I'd rather see him leave. Selfish, doesn't play for the team, he could do well - he has the qualities to be proper good - but he just seems unable to play for the team rather than for himself. He's the player I shout most at during matches, without a doubt, sometimes very frustrating player to watch.
Liam

I was a big fan of Zarate about 18 months ago, he seemed to have everything on a technical level, but all I hear now is arguments with the club.  He seemed to play well when he wanted to get out of Qatar, but hasn't been the same since.
Guest

Liam wrote:
I was a big fan of Zarate about 18 months ago, he seemed to have everything on a technical level, but all I hear now is arguments with the club.  He seemed to play well when he wanted to get out of Qatar, but hasn't been the same since.


Exactly. The first year in Rome he was brilliant, very well liked by the fans. Since then it only went from bad to worse. Doesn't pass the ball, goes for personal success 9 out of 10 times, complains too much, and so on. He's been losing his status of 'hero' very quickly actually. Lots of fans, including me, are hoping for some rich Russian club to buy him for too much money. But I think I read that Lotito would like to keep him.
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SSL 1900 wrote:
Mercato 2011/12

IN

- Klose
- Lulic
- Marchetti (?)
- Cissé (?)

OUT

- Lichsteiner (?)
- Muslera (?)
- Zaraté (?)


Lichtsteiner is very close to joining Juve apparently, should be moving this week. Lazio is waiting for Muslera's transfer/decision, then the Marchetti deal might be closed. Cissé, according to Greek media, is supposed to join Lazio this week.
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- Vice President of Panathinaikos says there's a 'top secret' deal with Lazio (to do with Cissé).

- Tare denies all the rumours about Zarate leavingg.

- Mauri is not for sale, Tare says.

- Floccari's agent hasn't been in contact with Lazio, he says. Napoli might be interested, would be a great solution for him/them.

- Lotito repeats that Lichsteiner costs 12 million euros and nothing less.
Guest

"Marchetti-Lazio, martedì l'incontro decisivo. Cellino ha già un accordo verbale con il Milan, ma... "
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This is the story of Gabriele Sandri. A young man, killed on his way to a football match.


"I've just finished playing, and now, as always, I'm leaving to support you to the victory" (Gabriele's last text message which he sent late in the night of 10 on 11 November 2007 to De Silvestri - Lazio player and friend, after he had finished his DJ set in Rome, and was leaving to Milano to see his Lazio play, as always)



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11 November 2007

11 November 2007. It's not yet dawn when Gabriele Sandri, who has just switched off the mixing device of the disco Piper club, reaches his friends at Piazza Vescovio. There is no time for sleeping for Gabbo DJ: it's already sunday, Lazio plays Inter away and he does not want to miss the match.

Two cars, a Renault Scenic with five on board and a Renault Clio, with four, leave at 6.30 heading to Milano, a 6-hour trip on the "Sun highway" A1. Gabbo is in the Scenic. It's about 9am when the Laziali decide to stop at the station of Badia al Pino, on the highway, to have some rest and eat something.

As the two cars arrive at the station, two Mercedes have just parked. They had left from Rome too, at around the same time but with a different destination: Parma. They're Juventus fans. It's a matter of seconds. The two groups recognise each other and after some heavy words a brawl starts. It's very quick, in less than a minute the two groups move away from each other and reach their cars.

It's all so quick that people working at the station nearly notice the brawl. Someone else, however notices it. A couple of policemen, about 70 meters away from that parking lot, with the very busy highway running in between. There is nothing they can do. Or at least, nothing they could do. They cannot even fully understand what had happened.

Policeman Luigi Spaccarotella starts running and reaches a small heap. He screams. The police hooter is very loud. It works. The two Juventus fans cars leave the station. The Clio with the four Laziali leaves too, followed by the Scenic with Gabbo, sitting in the back among two friends, he is asleep.

Policeman Spaccarotella sees that also the last car involved in the brawl is leaving. He scream "stop! police!" and asks the petrol station guy to write down the plate number. But it's not enough for Spaccarotella. The policeman is about 70 meters away from the Scenic, which is moving away. The visual spectrum is limited, the bottom part of the car covered by the highway fence.

But he does not think. He fires his gun. The bullet crosses six highway lines (filled with cars) and a grid on the central fence. That bullet hits the Scenic. It hits Gabriele in the neck.

There is no time for Gabriele to react or scream for pain: his head is leaned forward. He's shaking. He doesn't speak, just a lament; he's already covered in blood. "What did you do Gabbo! What's that!", his friends call him, shake him, hug him. Gabbo can't speak and the four on board cannot figure out what has just happened.

The Scenic at full speed heads towards the exit of the highway at Arezzo, where the ambulance is also arriving. It's a crazy, desperate race. When the doctors arrive they immediately get in to the Scenic. As they see Gabbo they realise immediately what has happened and try a desperate attempt to save his life.

But Gabbo's heart has already stopped beating.
Gabriele Sandri, 26 years old, has just been killed. Killed, in this way.
It's 9:18 am, November 11, 2007.

Immediately after the tragedy the politicians, the police and some journalists work in the disgusting attempt to "fix" the situation. The Internal Affairs Minister fully backs the police. The same does the Questor, claiming that the shots were exploded in the air. False reports are transmitted. The journalists pass the false news that Gabbo was a dangerous Ultras and that weapons has been found in the car, the first reports say that there was a huge fight between Ultras. It's all false.

The Italian football federation, while expressing his grief for the loss, decides not to stop the league. Only Inter-Lazio is postponed. The other matches are played, though something happens at Bergamo. Atalanta fans, notoriously in a fierce rivalry with Lazio's Ultras, strongly protest against FIGC decision and manage to stop the match (they will be harshly punished for this gesture by FIGC).

In the night, Rome witnesses a warfare scenario, some police stations are attacked by very angry Ultras who could not bear the double killing of Gabriele. Firstly killed by a bullet exploded by a policeman. Immediately afterwards killed again by the Institutions of the very Democracy that should protect you.

The trial - the first sentence

After a long period where witnesses were questioned and several technical analysis on the bullets trajectory were carried out, the hearings in the Court finally started on March 20th, 2009. The media followed the event closely.

Luigi Spaccarotella was called to face the charge of intended murder. For that, he could get up to 21 years in jail. In the Court room, two witnesses claimed to have seen Luigi Spaccarotella aiming at the car, holding the gun with straight arms and steady for a while, before shooting. The technical analysis showed that the bullet did not change its trajectory, that there were no decisive deflections, and that it did not hit the car by chance: it was a clear shot, fired with purpose.

The defense of Spaccarotella, in the (disgusting) attempt to avoid the charge of intended murder, tried to underline some very little contradictions in some of the witnesses statements. They also brought to the courtroom some of the Spaccarotella colleagues and friends (even the priest of his town), all saying how a nice kid Spaccarotella is.

Gabbo's parents, following the trial in the courtroom everyday, had the chance to meet Spaccarotella on the first day of the trial. However the man didn't turn to look at them, not even to say sorry.

In his final speech, the public prosecutor asked for 14 years for Spaccarotella, a request that was met with disappointment by Gabbo's family and friends, who would have asked for the maximum penalty (21 years). But the hugest blow was yet to come, with the sentence.

The judges decided to condemn Spaccarotella to 6 years prison, stating that the policeman was only guilty of unintended murder. Gabbo's parents start crying in the Court, the mother faints, desperate about such a mild punishment: "they have just killed my son again, I am ashamed to live in this country", said Gabbo's dad. The judges decision was met with many protests by the many Laziali who had reached Arezzo to follow the trial. They shout 'vergogna', or 'shame'. Once again in Rome some riots occur."


Some months ago, finally, (some) justice arrived. Spaccarotella got up to 9 years in prison, which of course is better than the initial sentences. In the meantime, Ultras are serving more than 10 years in jail, prosecuted in the same way as terrorists are.
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Just to be clear. I do not want to start another argument about the good of the Ultras and the bad of the Ultras and the violence and the whatnot. This topic is about Gabriele Sandri, an innocent boy, killed while sleeping.

11 November 2007, Badia al Pino, friends and family cannot believe what has just happened.



His funeral is attended by thousands of fans and Ultras from all over Italy. On a rainy, miserable day, friends and enemies from all over the country travel to Rome to say a last goodbye to someone they have never met. Out of respect for someone who had the same ideals, the same mentality. Also the complete team of Lazio is present, and Totti, who falls in the arms of Gabriele's dad, crying.



Dad and brother, carrying Gabriele.





Guest

First match after the death of Gabriele, at home against Parma. Many people don't come to the stadium, they are in shock. The Curva Nord is empty, only some banners for Gabriele are present. In the final seconds of the match, Firmani - a true Laziale - scores the winning goal. He runs towards the Curva Nord and hugs the portrait of Gabriele. Pure emotions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVkCr1uUF0...player_embedded



The first derby after the death of Gabriele. Before the match, some Ultras of Roma, together with Totti, come under the Curva Nord with flowers for Gabriele, and a banner that reads 'tears have no colours'. It is the first time, ever, that Romanisti come under the Curva Nord, to show respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0v3SCnjpU...player_embedded

Guest

OFFICIAL: Lichtsteiner is now Juve player.

He's already gone through the medical tests and only has to sign the contract. Transfer price: 9.5 million.

Other news:

- Witsel and Silvestre are named again
- Lazio has contacted Lyon about Pjanic
- Cassani's agent says Lazio is doing efforts to buy him
Lupo Pazzesco

Why is Lichtsteiner's transfer fee only €9.5M instead of €12m? Lotito didn't stick to his initial statement did he?
Guest

Lupo Pazzesco wrote:
Why is Lichtsteiner's transfer fee only €9.5M instead of €12m? Lotito didn't stick to his initial statement did he?


Nope, found it strange as well. Knowing Lotito, you would have thought he'd do anything to get the amount he wanted.

Sad to see Lichtsteiner leave. Cassani is named as replacement.
Guest

I'd be a bit skeptical about Cisse signing, especially being injury prone, 29 and on a 4 year deal. Having signed Klose I thought you'd have gone for someone a bit younger.
Mezz

I'll never forget watching Cissé breaking his leg in a friendly against China in 2006.

That was grim.

Guest

The break against B'burn was horrid too, they always send shivers down my spine.
Guest

I vaguely remember the Blackburn one, but not against China. And now Youtube's kinda tempting me there to have a look...

I was going to say "and he's done nowt since Auxerre" as well, but 55 in 88 for Panathinaikos isn't to be sniffed at.
Mezz

diatribe wrote:
I vaguely remember the Blackburn one, but not against China. And now Youtube's kinda tempting me there to have a look...

The China one was about 10 minutes in to a match that was France's last friendly before the World Cup in Germany.

If I recall correctly, he was running on to a pass down the right wing and the Chinese player put a half-hearted foot in to try and nick the ball away.

Unfortunately, the foot tapped Cissé on the back of his ankle, sent him off balance and the rest, as they say, is history...
Guest

diatribe wrote:
I'd be a bit skeptical about Cisse signing, especially being injury prone, 29 and on a 4 year deal. Having signed Klose I thought you'd have gone for someone a bit younger.


Risky transfer indeed, I have to say I never expected to see him in our shirt. We'll see what he can bring, he is a fighter, we can use that at least!

Until now, incoming transfers:

- Klose
- Lulic
- Konko
- Cana
- Cissé
- Marchetti
- Stankevicius
- Cissé
Guest

Why get rid of Muslera ? to fund other signings?
Guest

Tuten K wrote:
Why get rid of Muslera ? to fund other signings?


I believe he wanted to leave. Plus he wasn't always that good, not very consistent, made huge mistakes that led to losses last season as well. I think with Marchetti we have a decent replacement.

First three friendlies, for what it's worth:

Lazio - Cadore 16-0
Lazio - Ripa Union 8-0
Lazio - Lucerna 5-1

Other news:

- Zarate linked to Atletico Madrid.
Guest

Lazio - S. Prague: 3-3
Lazio - Osasuna: 0-1

5.000 fans in Fiuggi for the match against Osasuna.



Guest

Upcoming fixtures:

31/07: Lazio (1) - Reggina
31/07: Lazio (2) - Villarreal
06/08: Lazio - Cluj
07/08: Lazio - Aris Saloniki

Other news:

- More than 10.000 season tickets sold in 15 days
- Next week we'll know whether Floccari goes to Fiorentina or not
- Diakete was linked to Lille, both his agent and S.S. Lazio deny
- French media report that Pjanic has an agreement with Lazio, next week we'll know more
Guest

http://www.football-italia.net/jul31t.html

I've never understood this, why the Lotito hatred? It was the Irriducibili he took the commercial rights from, or is that a moot point? Plus he was the main figure in saving you from possible liquidation.

Freezing players out in '09 was admittedly stupid but the Ultras have disliked him since way before that.
Guest

diatribe wrote:
http://www.football-italia.net/jul31t.html

I've never understood this, why the Lotito hatred? It was the Irriducibili he took the commercial rights from, or is that a moot point? Plus he was the main figure in saving you from possible liquidation.

Freezing players out in '09 was admittedly stupid but the Ultras have disliked him since way before that.


It's a long story. You are right that Lotito suddenly stopped granting Irriducibili some of the privileges they had when Cragnotti was president (although at the end of his reign he was in a fight with the Irriducibili as well). However weird and unacceptable that the Irriducibili were in charge of all merchandising and were being given free tickets and whatnot, the way in which Lotito has handled the situation (dealing with a certain part of Italian football which power you obviously cannot underestimate) was rather badly. In addition, it has been proved that Lotito had/has plans of his own with our Lazio, mostly to make him richer, and not necessarily for the good of the club.

Quote:
...That morning the life of four guys changed forever. They were kept in jail for several months (nine months in the case of Toffolo and Yuri), before being given the house arrests. Their detention lasted two years. Two years of “preventive custody”, without not even the shadow of a process.

Three years and three months have passed from that day. The process for the four Irriducibili members has finally started, and many things have already come out. Last December, Paolo Arcivieri published a book about this story: “A Testa Alta” (With head high).
The book was written because “Paolo, Fabrizio, Yuri and Fabrizio free!” is not simply a slogan. It’s a story that asks for justice; a story that wants justice.

Paolo joined Irriducibili since their very first day, in 1987. He left the group in 1992, after some divergences with other members. In the following years, Paolo dedicated himself to his ideas, to his interest in politics and social problems, in the communication, starting his first experience with roman radios. In 1999 he joined Irriducibili again to begin, some time later, the radio show “La Voce della Nord”. And it’s through “La Voce della Nord” that the fans start accusing Lotito to care about his interest only and not Lazio’s, revealing his speculative project. A voice that becomes stronger and stronger as the days pass by.

Needlessly to say, Paolo’s book is firstly a very touching reading. The story of a football fan treated as a dangerous terrorist: seven months spent in jail, without a process. Deprived of his freedom for 2 years and 2 months. The shocking description of his detention, the moment when he was arrested, when at 6.05 am of a rainy morning in Rome the police knocked at his door.

“Paolo, there’s the police at the door… the police!… at the door!” “What? … the police?... the police at the door?... wait, let me open…” “What happened! ... what do you want!”
On the arrest warrant there were the names of the four Irriducibili guys, Chinaglia and his group.

“Oh come on!!! … you came for this??... come on, it’s not possible!!! … it’s all finished… finished!... it’s October… in May everything was finished… everything… it’s six months we have stopped sustaining Chinaglia… the Naples judges know it very well!!!...” Their reply was again in a silent gesture: one of them opened his arms.

But there is more.

Along with Paolo’s story and his memories from that period, the book sums up the progresses made in the process so far. The evidence against the four Irriducibili guys, which was enough to take away their freedom for two years, consisted on taped telephone conversations among themselves; taped phone calls insulting and threatening Lotito; taped mute phone calls to Lotito; an anonymous letter found at Lotito’s door. Accusations against anonymous people brought up to the attention of the police.

After more than three years from that rainy morning in October, some light has been shed on this story. It was proved that those who insulted Lotito on the phone were unrelated to all of the four guys and the Irriducibili group. It was proved that the anonymous phone calls to Lotito were made from phone numbers belonging to Lotito himself or to his wife, Cristina Mezzaroma.

The anonymous letter is incomprehensible and still has not an author. The day the letter was brought to the attention of the police, the police taped a phone call between Lotito’s wife and her maidservant. The conversation is very cryptic but the content, as it was confirmed during the process, could be referable to the letter in question.

The content of new taped phone calls was released. Many are also published in Paolo’s book. In one of such calls, the most important for sure, Lotito speaks about a decisive intervention he has made with the roman judges about the situation involving the four Irriducibili guys: “… to Ceniccola and to Bonfanti who were two that… leave it… but after I’ve intervened on… they gave it to … and now the one who has … is Italo…”

In another taped phone calls, Lotito invites a journalist to go to the Head of DIGOS (Special Operation General Investigation Division) police, to denounce threaten received. “Ilario, Ilario, if you do what I say, they… Other people were threatened and so on, they arrest you and throw away the key and this time they give you 12 years. The charge will be extortion, criminal association finalized to extortion. … The crime hypothesis is this one, we are not playing about stadium bans, things and so on”.

On April 2006 the president of the Lazio Club Guidonia Montecelio denounced to the DIGOS police to have received a threatening phone call, where a voice said: “… as a club you must leave Lotito and join Chinaglia…” Months later, the checks on the Telecom company phone calls register showed that he had not received any phone call at all.

Based on evidence as such, a parallel investigation has started from the request of Paolo Arcivieri to find out the truth behind his incarceration and that of the other three guys. The case, cured by the Court of Perugia, is still at its preliminary stage.

Mr Lotito called us criminals, he said we were people used to commit crimes, and clearly he attempted to realize his plan, shameful and deplorable, for his own aims, his own targets, which I do not intend to comment on. Lotito played his game. But what about those who had to defend civil rights, those who had to protect the citizens, those who had to apply the rules of justice, what game did they play?

One thing is certain: the follow up of this book will be written by the judges because I, my wife, my friend lawyer Domenico Mariani, my family and, I hope, some of you, we wait for justice.


It has to be said that the Irriducibili do not exist anymore (since March 2010). The people in charge of the Curva Nord at this point are not the Irriducibili, but are the 'Ultras Lazio', a group consisting of Ultras of old groups such as Banda Noantri, MCM, and so on. These people in fact were not very fond of the Irriducibili themselves (and their merchandising, business, ...), and took control of the Curva Nord in 2010, eliminating the Irriducibili after more than 20 years in charge.
Myles

So basically the Ultras want the merchanising money and so are pissed off with the president because he wants the club to get that money, and also that the Ultras don't want to have to pay for their tickets because the club should be grateful for their support.

What if the Ultras decided to spend all their energy promoting the Lazio games and organise the coaches for away games even for those supporters who didn't pay membership (protection money) to the Ultras. Promoting the Lazio games would seem to me like a much better way to show your support of the club.
Guest

Myles wrote:
So basically the Ultras want the merchanising money and so are pissed off with the president because he wants the club to get that money, and also that the Ultras don't want to have to pay for their tickets because the club should be grateful for their support.

What if the Ultras decided to spend all their energy promoting the Lazio games and organise the coaches for away games even for those supporters who didn't pay membership (protection money) to the Ultras. Promoting the Lazio games would seem to me like a much better way to show your support of the club.


The Irriducibili leaders (!) were pissed off because they were losing their income and privileges, yes. I always found it very sad that a group like that was doing so much business (for their own, not for the sake of the club), and forgot about their real passion. Groups like Banda Noantri (who pushed Irriducibili from the trone in 2010, together with others) were established (back in the early 2000s) purely because they did not want to be part of Irriducibili's way of doing things (business, money, free tickets - that has nothing to do with the Ultras' ideals). I think it's the way in which Lotito has dealt with that situation. Okay, on the radio stations they were saying Lotito had to go, and on their banners and in their songs they made it clear that he was not wanted anymore. However unacceptable and disgusting, in so many ways, their protest was, it does not mean you have to lock up four innocent people for two years. In my opinion. And clearly in the Ultras' opinion. Even the new group's (Ultras Lazio) opinion, seen their official statement.

I fully agree with you when you say they should have used that money to do things for the club, if only that. In a way they did, I must say, as they used the money to make choreographies and so on, which are there to give the team a boost of course. But okay, obviously it's a very unhealthy situation when a group of hardcore fans are in charge of all merchandising of a big club like Lazio. But (almost) all their shops are closed, they don't exist anymore, the Ultras 'in charge' now are a hundred per cent Ultras and do not do anything for money or personal interest or profit or...
Myles

It's good to see fan power of the real supporters pushing out the old heads. I think it would be good to see supporters of other clubs do the same. Italian football would be much better if some of the supporters stopped being the pawns of the heads. Those supporters basically just fight for the right of the heads to have their mortgage paid via merchadise and the easy life. The heads appeasing those 'supporters' by organsing the odd battle with the police. No-where on the Drughi merchandise does it say 'Juventus' just so they don't have to pay the club royalties even though their merchandise is sold on the back of association with the club. If the heads spent more time organising cheap trips to aways games where the coach is specifically for the game, then it'd be cheaper for supporters to travel and they wouldn't have to depend on the national transport timetables, for instance arriving 5 hours before kickoff and getting home at midnight, no-one wants to keep doing that every 2nd weekend for 9 months. If the heads did something more constructive they'd earn a bit more respect rather than the current culture of demanding respect. Fair play to Lazio supporters if they are headed in that direction, i'd like to see it span out to most clubs.
Guest

UPDATE

Friendly:

31/07: Lazio (1) - Reggina 2-0
31/07: Lazio (2) - Villarreal 1-3
06/08: Lazio - Cluj 4-1
07/08: Lazio - Aris Saloniki 2-0
11/08: Lazio - R. Sociedad 2-0

Europea League:

18/08: Lazio - Rabotnicki 6-0

Transfers:

- Future of Zarate in Rome is still unsure. Interest from Arsenal and Tottenham
- Lille and Wolsburg made an offer for Floccari
- Lazio following Kranjcar, Wright-Phillips and Pjanic (who stated not to be interested in a move to Rome)
- Chievo wants Kozak
Guest

UPDATE

Europea League:

25/08: Rabotnicki - Lazio 1-3

Transfers:

- Zarate > Inter (loan)
- Foggia > Sampdoria (loan)
- Floccari > Parma (loan)
Guest

This thread brings back memories.....I went to see Roma v Calgiari this weekend and did not realise the game had been called off until I got to the stadium.

I was met by about 200 or so Lazio fans outside the bus staion near the Stadio running amock and burning cars...the police actually just buggered off. Scary stuff when you are on your own belive me. Will always remember that weekend, I only went over for the football and did not get the chance to see any!
Myles

Good job by Lazio tonight in what is likely the toughest fixture of the season.. Keeps the scudetto favourites at bay anyway.
Myles

Lazio are making a real mess of this game.
Lupo Pazzesco

You jinxed it Myles!    
fantas1sta

Wow, Lazio are having a great start to the season.  Usually they follow up a good stretch of a couple games with an anonymous performance but now they're crunching Chievo 3-0 away.  At the least I think they're serious contenders for the top 3.
VinciPerNoiMagicaBrescia

BOOOOOOOOORRIELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO
fantas1sta

Lazio have themselves to blame, they missed tons of chances before Borriello's goal and then couldn't do anything afterwards.  Leaves Juve alone at the top of the table now.
Dels

fantas1sta wrote:
 Leaves Juve alone at the top of the table now.


And that's how it will stay.
Guest

Forza Lazio
We'll be in the Panathinaikos game with you

Dels

Thank you, my wallet is so much fatter.
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