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Lazio fan killed - Serie A stopped?Breaking news, Serie A Week 12 could be halted after a Lazio fan was killed in fights with Juventus supporters. It's reported a policeman's bullet proved fatal. |
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| Roma Girl |
So its ok to kill a fan.. serie a goes on... bello... a cop dies the world comes to a stand still.. why is a policemans life worth more??? are we not all equal. Inter-Lazio cancelled... no decision on other matches. Fans fighting with police at th atalanta-milan match... there is always fighting at service stations between fans. Serie A should be stopped as fans will be fighting with police instead of watching the football. Im not looking forward to going to the stadium tonight now.... | ||
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Official: Inter-Lazio postponed | ||
| blackandblue |
Why don't the so-called fans just stop fighting in the first place? I just don't understand the mentality  . Someone calls the police (with guns) and you just know it's going to end in tears.
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| Roma Girl |
Apparently it was Juve fans from napoli involved. Traffic police shot the guy... from pictures on the tv he was in the car when he was shot. They are saying he was hot by accident.. not sure houw you accidently shoot someone. Cant believe they arent even having a minutes silence before the games. | ||
| Roma Girl |
Atalanta-Milan suspended. | ||
| ®osa |
why would traffic police need guns?
Although this is italy... |
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| blackandblue |
Even the Financial Police have guns in Italy (grey uniforms)  . Maybe it's unsafe to check VAT receipts.
And what the hell's going on in Bergamo? |
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| zeds |
According to Sky the Roma game has been postponed also. |
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| Roma Girl |
Roma game cancelled as there is already rioting at the stadium…. I was just about to go! Lazio fans have apparently gone there to fight the police. The main groups of the Curva Sud had planed not to go anyway out of respect... Seems there will be big trouble there tonight.
The guy was shot as they were already leaving the service station.. long after any fighting took place. The policeman says he shot into the air...mmmm... You should see what they did at Atalanta! they destroyed the stadium. Guess how many they arrested?! ZERO! Some things never change. |
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| Roma Girl |
Rosa - even the finance police carry guns here..... | ||
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Roma-Cagliari called off | ||
| Liam |
The whole situation is very messy from what I've seen and heard. Without knowing the full facts of this story I cannot comment too much, but if this was supposedly a small scuffle, why was a gun needed? | ||
| Roma Girl |
Kicking off big time here in rome.....ultras setting police cars/ buses on fire.. they tried to get into a police station (70 fans with their faces covered).
The guy was a DJ here in rome and was friends with many of the lazio players.. he was even the dj at one of the players birthday... Luckily there is the break for the national team next week.. hopefully things will calm down but i doubt it. Im not looking forward to the next home game. [/b] |
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| Roma Girl |
The police have all but admited they are at fault...he meant to fire into the air. just didnt do it high enough. just read that 400 ultras tried to get into another police station...Now they have started getting to the CONI offices at the Olimpico... | ||
| Dels |
So Lazio & Juventus fans were fighting in Milan? Why? | ||
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Lazio star: He was my friend | ||
| Roma Girl |
Lazio fans travelling from rome and juve fans travelling from naples met at a service station on the A1 and had a small fight (happens every weekend.. usually by appointment)... After the fight the lazio fans drove off at whcih point a traffic cop fired in to the air.. but not high enough.. not sure why he fired the gun as nothing was happenin at the time.There are now riots all over rome.. ultras going after the police. | ||
| Dels |
I see. The Italian authorities need to get this violence sorted out. Maybe its because I'm a woman but I don't see why people can't just enjoy the football. I don't like Celtic but I'm not going to fighting with anyone. I thought hooligism was so the 80s. | ||
| Roma Girl |
Believe me... i often feel like im livin in the 80s over here!!! This country is years behind in everything! | ||
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Police: It was an accident | ||
| diatribe |
This all seems like a very, very unfunny joke. Without mentioning the obvious and asking why was a gun necessary for a small scuffle, setting off a firearm at a petrol station the guy's lucky he didn't blow the place up.
I don't really know what to say that hasn't been already, this is the last thing we all needed. Am supposed to be going over there in 3 weeks as well. |
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| Duncan! |
Why are these morons fighting at a station in the first place? So the ultras now have a riot to "even" the score??? Gosh, this is stupid | ||
| Inter Ateo |
The whole incident and aftermath is symptomatic of the total lack of order in Italy.
The place is a genuine powder keg largely populated and governed by complete idiots. |
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| verno |
I heard talk of a civil war on the news last night. Why must everything be so over the top ?
Shit like this will keep happening until these twattish Ultras are muzzled. |
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| zeds |
With the international break coming up, not sure this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7091306.stm is needed. | ||
| Roma Girl |
out of 400 rioting last night a grand total of 3 were arrested (one was female..and not me!). At the atalanta game no one was arrested.. why dont they arrest this people when they are commiting the crime?? why do they wait to do it after the event at which point it is too late. | ||
| Dave |
From the sounds of things, the police officer fired the weapon from over 200 yards away - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7090170.stm
Even though he had a negligent discharge with an accidental second shot, the idea being put about that this was a deliberate attempt to kill the victim is ludicrous. I've not handled a pistol (why is it that handling guns has a whole array of double entendres 'handling weapon', 'discharge'?) in years, and wouldn't be confident of hitting anything, let alone anyone from more than 20 yards; a skilled shot wouldn't even think of hitting anything from more than 80 yards. Someone completely unfamiliar with a pistol would do well to hit anything at 15 yards. However, the Ultras seem to be using the idea of a pre-meditated action as an excuse for some muscle-flexing - and I can't help thinking that by putting themselves in a position where they are, in effect, challenging law and order, they may be heading for a rather hefty fall they're not anticipating... |
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| poochiem |
reporting standardsand hardly a mention anywhere about the 20 police injured by 'fans' after the Birmingham - Villa Derby yesterday! |
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| Duncan! |
Round up these idiots and throw them in jail | ||
| Roma Girl |
Its seems it wasnt so accidental... he shot with both arms out straight in front of him... | ||
| poochiem |
Lazio deathRomagirl - So how are feeling running in Rome now? Does it dominate the 'water cooler' discussion? The conspiracy theory is always king in Italy but I think this really may have been a terrible accident, how do Romans feel about it?I've read a lot of English language reports and stuttered my way through Corriere dello Sport and one thing seems to strike me - that the tragedy has united the opposing Ultras albeit briefly against a 'common enemy', however misguided. I love the spectacle of the coreografie, the Curva Sud in Stadio Olimpico. The terrace violence itself is choreographed to some extent, its ritual rather than spontaneous. The police are actors in this choreography too, you can almost set your watch to the halftime attack under the stadium as the Laziale go beneath the stand to attack the Romanisti through the terrace exits. I sat 20 metres from such an attack with a father and his two kids at last season's Derby - they were enthralled by it all but not frightened. the little boy and girl spent the whole evening glued to the Curva, the flags, flares, firecrackers and most of all the singing, they will remember that forever. It would be a shame to lose the atmosphere generated by Ultra fans, which is almost unique to Italy now in western Europe. I am not defending the violence at all, in no way, and I even am a bit worried about my next trip to Rome for the ManUtd match in case I am mistaken for an English supporter by some thug with a knife. That said, there needs to be an accommodation found, power must be removed from the Ultras for sure but driving them all from the stadiums and onto the streets can't be the answer either. Calcio is an intrinsic part of Italian life and society, for better or worse, it will always be infused with the passion that is so absent in the like of the premier league grounds - but the savage element needs to be tempered. Here's an interesting blog on the weekend's events by Paolo Bandini in the Guardian and you can leave comments too... http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport...n_tragedy_sends_the_fight_ag.html |
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| Roma Girl |
They use football as excuse to fight.... unemployment is high and salaries are very low... they take their anger out on the police, who are certainly not innocent. The ultras are fighting against the establishment/ government. the police are not paid well here and I guess are sick of having to deal with this people adn so they react the way they do. I've walked past riot police and heard them saying come on lets get ready to get them when they come back. They go after men and women..it doesnt matter. They have no idea how to deal with crowd trouble... they use tear gas when it isnt necessary.. they have no idea. Ive lost count of the number of times ive been tear gassed and im certainly not an ultra. They just have no idea. The derby is the most tense game of the year yet they let the fans mix in the stands and everytime they fight...how stupid are they. Yet when we play say Parma, the 10 away fans are sectioned off and surrounded by 100 riot police.. where is the common sense in that???
The games should never have been played. Im sure there would still have been some violence but certainly not the extreme that we saw on sunday night. This wont just go away. Im sure the next time I go to the stadium there will be problems. But as you see from the numbers arrested these things happen and the ultras get away with it. Between 400-1000 rioting and destroying building in rome and they arrest I think 8 people??? They never ever arrest people at the time of the crime.. they try to arrest them the next day..same when they are at the stadium. Why?? Why not go into the Curva? The police wont even walk under the Curva let alone go in it. Until these things change then it will continue like this. Here they say that havent found the Juventini that they were supposedly fighting with. I think the fighting had long since finished when they drove off out of the service station... |
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| Drughi |
Well, I think with all due respect that it is wrong to accuse ULTRA movement sitting in England and reading papers.
I am not classical ULTRA even I will stand line vs any policeman of this world...as they are not different from some merda on the stands... If I were some of people here I would accuse every f**king British tourist that make troubles in Greece islands year by year...and said, well 'why police dont kill them' Dont talk if you dont have clue about it...and dont judge about people you dont know. Someone had problems visiting any Curva in Italy? I mean people from Britain are welcomed at Curva Scirea even when some Juventino heard England, there are first thought about you know...our brothers that were killed. But it is stupid to make any conclusions about what you see in papers or it is presented by media...as they are terrorists and send just one side of the story. Agree with some opinions that few hundred of morons used tragic death of innocent man to make more troubles at Rome. About Bergamo disturbances it was just protest about games being played. Why life of ordinary people is less worth that life of policeman. No merda just want to play games... 
Hope you understand my opinion... |
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| blackandblue |
I really want to reply properly to Drughi's rant but i don't think it will be worth it  . The emoticon he uses at the end says it all.
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| zeds |
I sympathise with a lot (if not all) of Drughi's sentiments. In this country we do like to spout our holier than thou rhetoric with regards football violence. And yes to some extent we are justified but let's face it, we live in the most yobbish nation in Europe and are hardly in a position to preach on the best forms of controlling larger louts. | ||
| Dave |
Roma girl - I don't think you can judge whether or not it was deliberate from the stance adopted when holding the gun.
From 200 yards-plus, standing with the gun held in both hands, arms out in front of you could still mean the bullet would pass well above the heads of those the round was meant to warn; angle the wrist and the height at which the round travels increases. Not to say that the policeman is completely innocent (there seem to be at least two instances of weapons handling numptiness on his part), just that his firing stance is no safe pointer to what he intended to do. |
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| poochiem |
well said. the facts of the shooting are almost irrelevant to the whole story - I believe it was an accident - the stupidity of firing a warning shot seems to have been forgotten by most people (bullet has to come down somewhere!)  Any news on Totti's foot?
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| blackandblue |
I think he takes a size 10... | ||
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Calcio stops for Sandri | ||
| SpagbelliNerazzurro |
Asking for all the games to be cancelled on Sunday is political manipulation. You can't start to compare the death of a policeman in the line of his duties policing a civil riot between opposing derby fans and the tragic (but seemingly) accidental death of a Lazio fan after a small skirmish in a car park. A huge question has to be raised as to why the traffic cop felt the need to fire warning shots anyway?But that is just bad policing and he will be punished. The Ultras have seen the chance to redress the balance after the tightening up of regulations following Raciti's death. Don't give me unemployment, low salaries or any other proto Marxist bullshit. I remember it surfacing in the 70's and 80's in this country, politicise all you like but pond life wanting kick/slash/terrorise other pond life is what it boils down to. If you want to topple your government mask up, head on to the streets with pick axes and molotovs and do your fighting there. DON'T GO DOWN TO THE STADIO ON A SUNDAY where parents take their children to see their heroes, where people at the end of the working week want to lose themeselves on a field of dreams and where passion that has been passed from generation to generation is shared and enjoyed. | ||
| Duncan! |
Well said!! | ||
| blackandblue |
Ditto. Said almost everything I wanted to say but didn't because I didn't want to be drawn into a useless argument ....good man. | ||
| Drughi |
Look Spagbelli, you can race for some elections with that kind of speech. But it is not about blah, blah, blah statements...kids, Sunday relax and similar crap, it is real life.
Man, fans want games to be stopped in order to pay tribute to innocent man killed and also to prevent some other tragedy... Fans asked the same after policeman killing in Catania, for your information... To redress the balance 
Man, if ULTRA movement cant think about it...no leaders of fans are too stupid to think about such detailed approach
Do you really think that new regulations brought safety to stands
Yes, like calciopoli cleared soccer
Now there are great refs decisions  week after week as your club will at the end send Moratti to be ref at Juve matches in order to take title
And also there are no fixed matches as end of last season showed
Man, man, man...dont talk about things you dont understand. And yes, blackandblue, emoticon dont mean I will kill someone, it is just joke...
Man we are peaceful people in Italy, we lost every f**king war and just know how to make stupid marches and have big mouth...nothing else
Man, we are not masters of free world, we are just slaves, like Iraquies, my relatives in France, my friends on Balcans... So emoticon dont mean nothing agressive by me...
Peace brothers 
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| Curva Fiesole |
The killing of the policeman in Catania happened on a Friday evening, giving the authorities almost 24 hours to call off all other matches that weekend. The death of Sandri happended mid-morning on the Sunday giving the authorities much less time as many fans would have already left for the matches.
I totally appreciate what you are saying Drughi but, in the circumstances, I don't see how the authorities could have safely cancelled every match that afternoon. I think they have made the right decision in cancelling all games this weekend as a mark of respect. |
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| Roma Girl |
the incident happened at 9am... they just kept it quiet til after midday so they could have stopped the games. Dont know why they waited til 6pm to cancel the Roma game... i was just about to leave for the stadium. | ||
| SpagbelliNerazzurro |
Drughi I'm feeling your love fratello . . . .  but no election speech here . . . just what I feel. I'm pleased they have cancelled games as a mark of respect this week and that players representing the azzurri at all levels will wear black armbands. The death of a fan is serious shit. Next the Ultras will be claiming that if it wasn't for their direct action on Sunday that decision wouldn't have been taken!!!
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Atalanta chief blasts complacent clubs and Ultras arrested for rioting are released | ||
| Duncan! |
Can people just go to a game and not fight, break plexiglass, try to get games called off thru violence, etc....
IT IS A GAME PEOPLE!!! |
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| Dylan |
The innocent man, Drughi as it happens, was found with stones in his pockets, with his friends he was waiting in ambush to assault 5 Juventus supporters. Aside stones, knives and umbrellas were found carried by the Lazio fans.
Now the bullet that killed the 'saintly' Lazio individual, following in depth reconstruction, it appears to have ricoched off the ground. Why did these 9 Lazio fans followed a Mercedes of 5 Juventus fans going in a different direction? And that Totti turns up at the funeral...all Italian Ultras united in the 'gfrief'. f**k OFF. . |
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| Drughi |
They met at parking...and of course it was clash because in Mercedes there were ROMANS supporting Juve.
Still dont believe in police version... I didnt say he was saint...but still there is no difference between ULTRA and police...still dont believe he was real ULTRA...some things which I wont argue pointing at other direction... He just payed for nothing... |
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| Tuten K |
The Atalanta ultras handed out leaflets before the match with Napoli apologising to the city the fans and the player's for their actions against Milan |