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Dels

FIFA World Cup 2014: Brazil

A bit early but the groups got announced today.


Group A: Brazil, Croatia, Mexico, Cameroon.

Group B: Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia.

Group C: Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, Japan.

Group D: Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy.

Group E : Switzerland, Ecuador, France, Honduras.

Group F: Argentina, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Iran, Nigeria.

Group G: Germany, Portugal, Ghana, USA.

Group H: Belgium, Algeria, Russia, South Korea.


The three main bookies  (Ladbrokes, Hills and Corals) have Brazil as the  overwhelming favourites.

Personally, my moneys on Germany.
Duncan!

Italia and England in the first game for Gli Azzurri!!!

A whoopin' of the English is a must


I think Italia is going to have a good WC.

Look for Brazil to receive some, er , dodgy decisions....
Dels

Duncan! wrote:


Look for Brazil to receive some, er , dodgy decisions....


This is guaranteed.

The French are jammy gits.
verno

Argentina = Easy Life.

Don't know why everyone is moaning about England's group. Every group is a group of death for us fer crissakes.
Duncan!

The USA's group is no picnic either.   Germany, Portugal, and Ghana
fantas1sta

I'm thinking of going. The World Cup likely won't be in the Americas again anytime soon, it'll be my reward for all these sleepless nights digging myself out from under this mountain of homework. I wish Italy was playing in Sao Paulo though, I follow the club Palmeiras and it would have been awesome to visit the new stadium.
nino

Go for it. You deserve it!
verno

Maybe take out some good travel/life insurance before you go though.
Dels

I was going to save my pennies for the world cup in 2018.

But then the Russian mafia bought it.    
verno

I don't fancy you'll enjoy Qatar with your fair complexion either so pencil in 2026 and hope for somewhere a bit milder and less corrupt.
El postaro de dios

Say thanks to Mr. Platini and Mr. Blatter. Frace and Switzerland have benn saved by a fake draw. What a shame      
Dels

verno wrote:
I don't fancy you'll enjoy Qatar with your fair complexion either so pencil in 2026 and hope for somewhere a bit milder and less corrupt.


Knowing FIFA's infinite wisdom that world cup will be given to North Korea.
verno

If it still exists by then !

I was reading on Wiki that it could possibly go to Mexico, Canada or the U.S. How much credence we can give to that is anyone's guess.
Duncan!

or all 3?   North America World Cup?
verno

Maybe. Who would get the final though ?
Liam

verno wrote:
Maybe. Who would get the final though ?

Using this page, Mexico would seem the obvious answer, however they've already hosted 2 finals, so Canada becomes the obvious one as that will be "spreading the love of the football family" to a nation with no real track record in football.
JamieOliver

I bet on Spain. It will be very difficult for them to win again, but i have feeling that they will continue it's domination
Dels

The powers that be would love it if football was popular in America.

America has held it before. They have the stadiums for it. 1994 was the first world cup I watched and its probably my favourite of the world cup tournaments I've seen.

And like Liam said Mexico have held it twice and I cannot see Canada being able to host it unless FIFA know something the rest of us don't know.

I'm all for USA26
Duncan!

Since 1994, we [USA] have many new stadiums.    Dallas, Washington DC, Indianapolis, New York, Houston, Denver, Detroit,  Phoenix etc... all have new stadiums that seat 70 to 90, 000 .   Many of them have retractable roofs as well
Liam

I'd love the US to host another World Cup.  That's mainly 1994 nostalgia, as that was the first tournament I can remember, and I loved it.

As Duncan says, the infrastructure is there, so it'd be a common sense solution.  It certainly beats going to another country and building a load of oversized stadiums that soon become obsolete.  Hopefully Sepp Blatter's expected departure from Fifa in their next elections will change things.
Dels

The FA are charging £90 for a replica shirt.

This is scandalous. Who in England's team is worth £90?

None of them. Not even the Sainted Steven Gerrard's  replica  shirt is worth that much money
Duncan!

most sports jerseys of any quality seem to be pretty pricey nowadays.    I agree, it's a rip off
Dels

It's disgusting. I just wouldn't pay £90 for a football top. Fans used to be life of this sport, now they just get treated with contempt.
Liam

As long as people keep buying things, they'll keep upping prices.  Fans moan about ticket prices, but keep flocking to the stadiums, so you can't blame the clubs/FA in a way.
Dels

Apart from a few players (the obvious faces) I like the team that Hodgson picked. I hope he plays the youngsters and they're not there to make up the numbers. There are some very good youngsters there making England's future look bright.
Luftwaffles

Dels wrote:
Apart from a few players (the obvious faces) I like the team that Hodgson picked. I hope he plays the youngsters and they're not there to make up the numbers. There are some very good youngsters there making England's future look bright.


This England squad looks good enough to get to the semi-finals.
Mezz

Personally, I hope England drop out at the group stage and we can all get on with enjoying the tournament without the backdrop of ridiculous media fervour that usually accompanies Ingerlund in whatever tournament they qualify for.

That or they win the thing, obviously.
Curva Fiesole

Luftwaffles wrote:
Dels wrote:
Apart from a few players (the obvious faces) I like the team that Hodgson picked. I hope he plays the youngsters and they're not there to make up the numbers. There are some very good youngsters there making England's future look bright.


This England squad looks good enough to get to the semi-finals.


Sorry, wrong thread. This should be in the jokes thread surely?
Duncan!

glad to see some young faces in Italy's 30 man squad.    

Not too many surprises except maybe Gilardino, a Prandelli favorite, not in the squad
Yockomo

I think Italy's concern is up front. Has Balotelli been playing well? Will Rossi be fit enough? Immobile could be the surprise package and the one to do the business. Surely you include the leagues top scorer in the final squad? Other teams won't know much about him so he could surprise a few. Especially the British TV pundits who are blinkered to any football outside of England or the Champions League semi finalists. The commentators tend to do their research while the pundits in the studio compete to see who can crack the funniest joke or come up with the worst cliche.

England will find it hard to get out of the group and if they do, I think the quarters are the best they can hope for. There are lots of youngsters so if they do come home early we shouldn't be too hard on them. We also need to remember that we are not that good.

I can't help thinking that England will beat Italy with a deflected goal totally against the run of play. I predict Italy and England (scraping through) to get through the group. I can't decide on my possible winners except for Brazil of course but I think France may be the 'dark horse' and do better than some expect.
Yockomo

I just noticed France at 20-1. Not really a dark horse but I'm sure you understand what I mean.
Dels

That they might do alright. They cant do any worse than the last couple of international tournaments.

I chuckled at Nasri being left out.
Duncan!

I worry about goals for Italy upfront as well unless Balotelli is in form and in decent mind.

I agree about Immobile too.   I think someone like he or Destro could offer a surprise.    Or maybe Prandelli will go with Marchisio a bit farther upfield off the main striker

as for the French, the less said the better.
verno

Dels wrote:
I chuckled at Nasri being left out.

Me too. Little rat bag.
Guest

Anyone have any further news on Italy's training camp?
Duncan!

Not until Cassano or Balotelli do something......
Dels

Some depressing Balotelli news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27507718

This would be Italian fans doing this, right?
Dave

Yes, racially abusing their own players (not that they see Balotelli as one of theirs, of course, since... well, since they're racist f***wits).
Dave

Dels wrote:
That they might do alright. They cant do any worse than the last couple of international tournaments.

I chuckled at Nasri being left out.


I chuckled even more at his other half's spectacularly ill-judged tweet, which might have ended his international career for him...
Dels

Wags should be seen and not heard.
Dels

I hope England was inspired by Prince William's telecast thingy.

I know I was.
Duncan!

Montolivo out.....

Maybe Veratti will get his chance
Dels

Duncan! wrote:
Montolivo out.....



Heartbreaking for Montolivo.

I hate International "friendlies" so much.
Lupo Pazzesco

Dels wrote:
Duncan! wrote:
Montolivo out.....



Heartbreaking for Montolivo.

I hate International "friendlies" so much.


I had mixed emotions when I heard the news, happy for England but gutted for Montolivo. At least you don't have to tolerate Townsend & co! It will be even worse if Terry joins ITV's football coverage.............  
Liam

Lupo Pazzesco wrote:
Terry joins ITV's football coverage.............  

Please say you've made that up.
Dave

No he isn't making it up.

Terry was touted as the replacement for Roy Keane if the latter becomes assistant manager at Aston Villa; it now he seems to have decided not to do punditry anyway, even if the Villa job doesn't materialise.

Given that Terry can barely string a sentence together this would've been what is known as a 'courageous' decision by ITV...

...but their response to questions about Terry's possibly joining their presentation team has been along the lines of 'Eh? You what? Have you been drinking?'.

Either someone in the ITV hierarchy realised that having someone who is at risk of turning the half time punditfest into one of the scenes from The Dambusters where Guy Gibson summons his Labrador was a recipe for disaster (advertisers might have a view on the matter...) and is back-peddling furiously, or someone has started this rumour to see how many newspapers would be taken in by it.
verno

I never listen to the punditry anyway. Can't be bothered with all those blowhards.
Liam

verno wrote:
I never listen to the punditry anyway. Can't be bothered with all those blowhards.

That's often my stance these days too.  You can't avoid the nonsense though as long as the likes of "Lawro" are in the commentary box.
Dels

Me either. When the pundits come on its time to make a cup of tea.

But John Terry can't be any worse than listening to Carragher or Gerrard, those two should come with subtitles.
Dels

Tonight I watched the BBC's "World Cup Greatest 50's Moments", it is the first time since the final in 2010 that I've watched highlights of any sort of that final, bloody hell, that was one dirty game. Holland had no intention of playing football whatsoever. Mourinho himself wouldn't have come up with those tactics by the Dutch.

Funny thing is, I don't remember most of the tackles on the clip tonight. I know I watched the match. Maybe I got blinded by Iniesta's  dazzling goal.

Also, Luis Suarez, I remembered why I disliked him.

And remembered why I love Zidane.

My favourite moment was Tardelli's celebration. Legend.
Duncan!

tardelli's celebration is one of my first soccer memories.   And still my favorite!

I don't listen to the commentary mostly anymore.  I listen to my headphones with the noise just loud enough to hear the crowd.
Mezz

I don't think they do it any more, but the BBC used to have a feature under the red button where you could listen to their radio commentary instead or - and this is genius - no commentary at all, just the sound of the crowd.

The only drawback was that the feed wasn't in HD, but that was a small price to pay in order to enjoy a match without enduring 90 minutes of absolute gibberish from 'Lawro' or his ilk.

I don't mind the Sky commentators so much, but their pundits are rubbish (excluding Souness). On the flip side, the BBC have some pundits that I actually like such as Desailly and Seedorf. Generally, I have more time for pundits that have actually done something in the game rather than, say, Andy f**king Townsend.

How someone who peaked by winning the League Cup in a 20 year career can be presented to us as a credible source of knowledge and opinion for Champions League coverage is beyond me...
Lupo Pazzesco

What he said!
verno

Dels wrote:

Also, Luis Suarez, I remembered why I disliked him.

I'm glad they got knocked out in the next game. There would have been no justice if they had gone any further. Gus Poyet thinks that what Suarez did isn't cheating. I'd like to see what he would say had Uruguay been on the receiving end of that.
Dels

Maybe somebody will do it to Uruguay this year.
ItaliaInEngland

Hi everyone.

Despite being born and raised in Turin, I've been working in London since the age of 26, 5 years ago, and I've just moved back to Turin.

Thought I'd just report on my football finding's during my time in England.

While I was in England I got to watch Manchester United x2, Liverpool, Chelsea x4, Crystal Palace, Arsenal x3, Manchester City x2, Spurs x3, Newcastle United, Everton x2, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull, QPR, Southampton, West Ham, Fulham and a fair host of other clubs.

Firstly, I think a few assumptions on here are wrong. The English Premier League is a brilliant league. It's so competetive and tight and at present, there are about 5 times all capable of winning the title, while the football isn't always perfect, the excitement, the grit & the atmosphere's are amazing.

I've also got to watch England play at Wembley on 6 separate occasions and watched a lot on TV, and may I say, if you haven't been, what a national stadium!

Under Roy Hodgson, England have showed a gradual improvement, they are an extremely tough side to break down and beat, as they showed with friendly wins against Spain and Brazil. They have a range of style's, as has been mentioned on here, they can play the anti-football counter attacking but they can also play fast direct rigid football.

They will probably line up like this

--------------------Joe Hart-----------------

Glen Johnson, Phil Jagielka, Tim Cahill, Leighton Baines

----------Steven Gerrard, Jack Wilshere ---------

-----Adam Lallana, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck----

----------------Daniel Sturridge------------


Joe Hart - a Young goalkeeper, first choice at champions Manchester City, mostly very solid.
Johnson - Liverpool right back, England's real weak link, England fans can't stand him.
Jagielka - A dominant Everton centre back, great in the air.
Tim Cahil - a Clever Chelsea centre back, also prone to some errors.
Leighton Baines - really starting to make a mark, this everton left back is superb.
Steven Gerrard - believe you me, he hasn't lost his world class quality, had a superb season with Liverpool
Jack Wilshere - Underperforming Arsenal midfielder, disliked by England fans.
Adam Lallana - the surprise break through, the Southampton attacking RW has had a cracking season.
Wayne Rooney - this world star needs no introduction.
Danny Welbeck - a surprise inclusion, but a useful player, hasn't had the best season with Man United though.
Daniel Sturridge - A fast skilful forward although his finishing can be poor.

It's also important to remember they have some simply breathtaking young players coming through, CAM Barkley from Everton, RW Oxlade-Chamberlain from Arsenal, LW Raheem Sterling from liverpool, RB John Flanagan from Liverpool, RB Phil Jones from Man United etc etc.

As much as we like to poke fun at the English, don't write them off as a force in this world cup.

This is a new and improved England side, the question is whether they can cope with the pressure's.

I'd love to see us beat them but It will be a tricky game against a dark horse imo.

I think England can win the group.
Dels

Welcome! That is a fantastic first post. Its hard to disagree with many of its points, maybe the part about England winning the group is a bit far fetched .But I'm Scottish so I will say that.

ItaliaInEngland wrote:
The English Premier League is a brilliant league.


The best in Europe.  
ItaliaInEngland

I had the 'pleasure' of visiting Scotland, if you can call it that  

Thank you though my friend.
Yockomo

ItaliaInEngland wrote:
Hi everyone.

Despite being born and raised in Turin, I've been working in London since the age of 26, 5 years ago, and I've just moved back to Turin.

Thought I'd just report on my football finding's during my time in England.

While I was in England I got to watch Manchester United x2, Liverpool, Chelsea x4, Crystal Palace, Arsenal x3, Manchester City x2, Spurs x3, Newcastle United, Everton x2, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull, QPR, Southampton, West Ham, Fulham and a fair host of other clubs.

Bet you didn't go to see the Bonny Bees at Griffin Park. That is total football!

England could do well. Every team needs a bit of luck. England will just need much more luck than others!

The Suarez save was cheating but would I have done the same? Probably.
Curva Fiesole

A good summary although I'm not sure about Tim Cahill in defence.
Dave

He might have picked up some tips from his brother, Gary?
Liam

England have some interesting players coming through, but the current team is probably weaker than the one which kept failing at the quarter final stage between 2002 and 2006.

Some players like Sturridge, Sterling and Lallana I really rate, but there's others like Walcott (Injured I know) and Welbeck who are overrated.

They might have a good group stage, but have no chance of winning it.  There's a bit of a generation gap between the "Golden" generation, and this new breed, and that's scuppered any hopes of going to the semi-finals or beyond.  Throw in Rooney inevitably performing below his potential, which won't help matters.

I don't expect a repeat of the Germany display from 4 years ago though at any point.

It'll be an interesting game Saturday night.  Italy were way better than England 2 years ago, so it'll be an interesting test of where this England team is.
Duncan!

It's hard to to peg this England team     They could actually fly under the radar and be pretty good.   I am hoping Italy will get the 3 points obviously but who knows in that stadium and conditions.

I am hoping for Italy to get to the semi's at least.  The last 2 tourneys they have done fairly well so we shall see
Tangerine Romanista

England are a strange one, if they can get out of the group they'll play Colombia or one of Côte d'Ivoire/Japan/Greece in the 2nd round. Colombia are a good team but they're no Germany from 4 years ago, so they could easily get to the Quarters.

On top of that with players like Baines, Cahill, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lambert in the team/squad they seem to have some genuinely likeable players who don't take themselves too seriously. For a Scotsman more used to automatically disliking self obsessed, media whores like Cole, Terry, Lampard and Beckham it's a strange state of affairs....  
verno

So it begins... My dad has just phoned to tell me that the ref in the Brazil v Croatia game is a cheating c u next Tuesday. Sigh.
Dave

He's not exactly had his finest game... (the ref, obviously, not your dad).
Dels

Brazil are getting to the final. Any means necessary.
Dave

'ITV are ****ing ****... eye-tee-vee are ****ing ****'

Those Leeds fans were on to something, weren't they? Dixon finds himself in a nightmare, Vieira would be more comprehensible if he spoke in French and poor Fabio fulfils the role of Manuel the waiter, while the locals, on behalf of their British friends bombard the studio with missiles.

This could be a looooooooooooong World Cup.
Duncan!

My friend who doesn't even care for soccer that much phoned me at work to tell me that it was obvious that Brazil was getting some home cooking.    

I was thinking... could you imagine, with all the controversy, strikes, and protests over this World Cup in Brazil IF they would go out early??   Never going to happen.

FIFA is getting caught in corruption at every turn and now this farce.    Hopefully it will be so obvious that you can't help but notice.

That said, did they pay off the Croatian GK as well???   either he sucks really bad or he was paid off
Lupo Pazzesco

Tangerine Romanista wrote:
England are a strange one, if they can get out of the group they'll play Colombia or one of Côte d'Ivoire/Japan/Greece in the 2nd round. Colombia are a good team but they're no Germany from 4 years ago, so they could easily get to the Quarters.

On top of that with players like Baines, Cahill, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lambert in the team/squad they seem to have some genuinely likeable players who don't take themselves too seriously. For a Scotsman more used to automatically disliking self obsessed, media whores like Cole, Terry, Lampard and Beckham it's a strange state of affairs....  


So what you're saying is that England is your second team and therefore your team at the World Cup?!?!
Tangerine Romanista

Lupo Pazzesco wrote:
Tangerine Romanista wrote:
England are a strange one, if they can get out of the group they'll play Colombia or one of Côte d'Ivoire/Japan/Greece in the 2nd round. Colombia are a good team but they're no Germany from 4 years ago, so they could easily get to the Quarters.

On top of that with players like Baines, Cahill, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lambert in the team/squad they seem to have some genuinely likeable players who don't take themselves too seriously. For a Scotsman more used to automatically disliking self obsessed, media whores like Cole, Terry, Lampard and Beckham it's a strange state of affairs....  


So what you're saying is that England is your second team and therefore your team at the World Cup?!?!


Well, I wouldn't go that far...

I've pretty much adopted Italy as my 2nd nation now, so get to experience the highs and lows at tournaments every 2 years....

Might just have to give my Kappa Azzurri top, circa Euro 2000 an airing tomorrow night.
verno

More expert World Cup commentary, this time courtesy of my dear Mother -   "Joe Hart has a stupid face. A fit body but a stupid face."

Poor Joe.
Mezz

Tangerine Romanista wrote:
Might just have to give my Kappa Azzurri top, circa Euro 2000 an airing tomorrow night.

I've got that one too - I bought it in a sports shop on Corso Porto Nuovo in Verona back in 2001 and it still fits me!

Duncan!

Spain got a good ass kicking...

Mexico had 2 perfectly good goals disallowed.   Hmmmmmm  they are in Brazil's group and have been in a thorn in the samba's side/
Yockomo

My words of wisdom to my two sons (14 & 12) before Spain v Holland.

'Neither team will want to lose. It will be a dull 0-0.'

Lupo Pazzesco

Mezz wrote:
Tangerine Romanista wrote:
Might just have to give my Kappa Azzurri top, circa Euro 2000 an airing tomorrow night.

I've got that one too - I bought it in a sports shop on Corso Porto Nuovo in Verona back in 2001 and it still fits me!



I've still got an Azzurri Diadora 1990 top hanging up in my wardrobe but sadly it's not pristine and is a bit tight on the old beer gut!

My faith in the Netherlands getting a victory against Spain was well rewarded last night............ Bloody fantastic victory, I hope LVG is doing a few deals for Utd on the quiet as there is clearly a lot of talent in the Dutch squad.
Mezz

Lupo Pazzesco wrote:
I've still got an Azzurri Diadora 1990 top hanging up in my wardrobe but sadly it's not pristine and is a bit tight on the old beer gut!

My faith in the Netherlands getting a victory against Spain was well rewarded last night............ Bloody fantastic victory, I hope LVG is doing a few deals for Utd on the quiet as there is clearly a lot of talent in the Dutch squad.

When I said it still fits me, I meant it curves nicely around the Magners keg I call my stomach!

The Feyenoord owner must be absolutely shitting himself right now given that LVG has complete unadulterated access to all of his players this summer... de Vrij, Martins Indi and Janmaat all look like they would be useful additions to the United defence, but it's difficult to see Feyenoord letting all three of them go, plus potentially Clasie who's apparently rated highly by LVG and not even mentioning that their manager seems to be on his way to Southampton.

Nervy times for the De Kuip faithful!
Dels

The second half was like Bayern vs Barca again. Beautiful.

I thought Germany might be the European team that could stop Brazil or Argentina but Robben looks like a man on a mission.

Quote:
Mexico had 2 perfectly good goals disallowed.   Hmmmmmm  they are in Brazil's group and have been in a thorn in the samba's side/


Mexico would be topping the table right now...
Liam

If Spain are forced to defend they can't do it, and their attacking play was lacking the cohesion they had even a year ago.

A great and thoroughly enjoyable performance from Holland though.  They put Spain out of their comfort zone, and again they couldn't react.
Mezz

Spain's problem appears to be Costa... it's all well and good getting a deadly La Liga striker to convert to your nation, but when you throw that sort of player in to a national team that isn't used to it then things invariably go tits-up.

I saw Ramos fire at least three 60 yard forward balls from the outside of Spain's box towards Costa in the first half yesterday, all of which came to nothing.

If it ain't broke...
Duncan!

for the Italia game today we are getting Ian Darke and Steve McManamun as the announcers...

Guess I will be watching the game in espanol....
Duncan!

oh and Buffon is out!                
Lupo Pazzesco

Duncan! wrote:
oh and Buffon is out!                


   

Sirigu is a fine replacement but not as commanding. That is all.

at the rabid rabbit sat on the Uruguay bench when they went 3-1 down. "What's up doc?"
Dels

Costa Rica  
Duncan!

Great win!!!    valuable 3 points !

Sirigu looked really good

Not real confidence in the defence, which is surprising for an italian team.    They don't seem quick enough with Chiellini out wide and Palotta in the middle.

I hope De Sceglie plays next game and move Chiellini to the middle for more pace in the back.

Costa Rica is a fast team and no pushovers.    

Good start for the CONCACAF teams so far!
Luftwaffles

What was especially satisfying about the performance against England was the 93% successful pass rate. Apparently that has not been achieved since 1966.
Duncan!

yep/   Pirlo is still a master.

I still have questions of the backline though

On another note-  GO GO USA!

just have to beat the Portuguese pansies
Liam

The USA did well last night.  Ghana clearly had more technical ability, but true to what I read about them pre-tournament, lacked organization, which the USA did have.

Ghana would be better with Kwadwo Asamoah in central midfield where he could have a bigger influence on the game.  I know he plays left wing back at Juve, but there's better players than his international teammates in the middle there.

Good tournament so far, with only the Iran-Nigeria game being a big disappointment (although I missed Japan-Ivory Coast and the first half of Mexico-Cameroon).
VB

Duncan! wrote:


Look for Brazil to receive some, er , dodgy decisions....


Had their first dose against Croatia. Will be watching with eagle eyes during this evening's match ;)
VB

Mezz wrote:
...the BBC used to have a feature under the red button where you could listen to their radio commentary instead or - and this is genius - no commentary at all, just the sound of the crowd.


Yeah, the 'no commentary at all' option was great. Really atmospheric. I also remember the Beeb provided the option to watch all of the goals scored so far during the tournament. That was a nice touch too.
Dels

VB wrote:
Duncan! wrote:


Look for Brazil to receive some, er , dodgy decisions....


Had their first dose against Croatia. Will be watching with eagle eyes during this evening's match ;)


The ref was good tonight. He should have booked Marcelo for "stimulation". He was looking at the ref before he even hit the ground. I would say for a Brazilian that is sad to see, you would think they would have confidence in their ability, then you remember Rivaldo.

I have money on Fred to be tournaments top goal scorer.
Dels

Duncan, who would you support if Italy played the US?

The other night there Klinsman sang along to the American national anthem, it will be hilarious if he does that during the Germany vs USA match.    

The US and Germany is one of the most intriguing group matches of the world cup because of Klinsman's allegiance these days. Personally, I hope Germany destroys the US. I got money on Germany, I think they are Europe's hope of a winner of the tournament.
Duncan!

I support Italy.     I first got into soccer watching the 1982 World Cup on BBC highlights on American public television.    They only showed the Final here in the USA live.    USA wasn't even a speck on the soccer landscape back then.    

My paternal grandparents are from Italy, and watching the 82 Final and seeing Tardelli's famous goal and celebration live on TV, I was hooked.  

Forza Italia!!!

After that it's all USA
Lupo Pazzesco

Brazil were awful last night but at least the trio of Fred, Jo & Bernard made me laugh when mentioned together......................

Vamos Chile!
Liam

Brazil were bad.  There was no team play, and instead of leading Neymar wanted to do it all by himself.  Mexico were solid.  Their last game with Croatia should be very interesting.
Dave

Lupo Pazzesco wrote:
Brazil were awful last night but at least the trio of Fred, Jo & Bernard made me laugh when mentioned together......................

Vamos Chile!


Fred, Joe and Bernard were the three barbers in the barbers (well, obviously - wouldn't have been a cafe) I used to go to when I was a student, so you can imagine how seriously I can take the Brazil trio...
Curva Fiesole

How poor were Spain and how worried will Brazil be now as they'll be facing either Holland or Chile in the next round. Cue home referee
Lupo Pazzesco

Chile were f*****g brilliant tonight and Spain were doo doo, I knew they wouldn't win but settled for a draw in the predictions.
Duncan!

Adios Spain and their lame boring football.  

Oh, you can count on Brazil getting some home cookin' as we say over here....

Mexico and Croatia game is going to be very interesting.


But really, all I care about is Italia getting 3 points against Costa Rica.    that 2nd game for Italia is always trouble.....
Dels

Spain deserved to go out. They looked terrified to tackle or be tackled. Then the play acting. Whoever is runner up in this group will most likely meet Brazil next, I think a Spain vs Brazil match would comatose us all, Chile will have a better chance of putting Brazil out and make the game more exciting. Vidal was a boss.

It was good to see Croatia getting a win under their belt after the shenanigans of the first match.
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