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zeds

A Minute's Silence

I feel sad even typing this: Antonio Puerta aged only 22.
So young and talented.
blackandblue

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6964586.stm

I put it in things that make us unhappy as well. Sad, sad news.
Dave

Terribly sad news.

This is not meant to appear crass and insensitive following the subject matter of the two above postings, but do we wish to transport the totodeath competition across?
Myles

Doubt anyone had this on their list, but anyway as a Dublin Gaelic Football supporter....

Tom Mulligan, Dublin Senior Footballer.

Committed suicide on Sunday after we lost to Kerry in the All-Ireland semi-final.
Mezz

VIVA LA REVOLUCION has now been banned from the C4 forum due to promoting himself and/or his own interests.

Someone, please, crack a 40 on the kerb for our fallen homey.

(Myles, I would expect that Alpi has gone the same way...)

Viva la Revolucion!
Myles

Alpi has indeed gone the same way...

They haven't deleted the poll or the Real Scandal threads...yet!
Mezz

ALL of my usernames have now been suspended!

I've dropped them a line to ask what proof they have, and as soon as they respond I fully intend to stick it right in their face about how they've forced us out with their knob-jockery and how we're now much happier elsewhere.

I haven't felt this good about la Foro for a long, long time and I'm delighted so many people have joined.

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
Guest

My only worry is that they dont really give a toss if we leave because it means less work for them.
Dave

I don't think we want to antagonise them too much, though, Mezz. Given that the company involved in the outsourcing is the very same as that whose MD appeared on the foro to launch a rather spiteful and ill-judged ad hominem attack on Gio, and taking the moderation policy into account it strikes me that some attempt at petty retaliation might ensue (spurious claims that their copyright has been infringed, etc, etc) if they get told where they can insert their moderation style.

What'd worry them more, I suggest, is if the foro just quietly dies as fewer and fewer people use it. Rather than raging against the dying of the light, simply leaving the last person there to turn it off might be a better strategy - let them go to the trouble of digging out spurious past misdemeanours and then just don't reply at all....

Giancarlo - I suspect that they would be worried if all the regulars leave, since he foro will all but die. This would be very bad news for the outsourcing company, since C4 might start to wonder why one of the most popular and regularly used forums on that website has become a wasteland.
Dave

To avoid auto-pruning of the thread...

I suspect that we may be adding Luciano Pavarotti to the AMS roll of honour before too long. Apparently, his condition (he has pancreatic cancer) has worsened.
Giovanni Lavafiume

Steve Fossett...?

...has gone missing. Can his mention on this thread save him?
Giovanni Lavafiume

And Pavarotti isn't looking too clever at the moment.
Guest

He has now died.

I really liked his voice, he will be missed.
Curva Fiesole

He certainly will - was going to a member of my Totodeath squad for next year.
zeds

R.I.P Pavarotti a true world icon.
Giovanni Lavafiume

I believe he was a Juventus supporter. Apparently they'll play Nessun Dorma before Israel v England. Nice idea.
Curva Fiesole

I know how his family, friends and fans feel - I lost a tenner this morning as well.

Hat - Coat - Door
Dave

Jane Wyman - oscar winning actress and former wife of Ronald Reagan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6987974.stm
Curva Fiesole

Anita Roddick departs for the great Body Shop in the sky

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988343.stm
Giovanni Lavafiume

Good old Mrs. Reagan!

01.] Brooke Astor........X.
02.] Phyllis A. Whitney........
03.] Charlton Heston........
04.] Gloria Stuart........
05.] Ariel Sharon........
06.] Jane Wyman........X.
07.] Karl Malden........
08.] Richard Widmark........
09.] Kirk Douglas........
10.] Michael Foot........
11.] Fidel Castro........
12.] Michael Gough........
13.] Googie Withers........
zeds

Ian Porterfield aged 61.
Guest

Some websites are saying it was Collin McRae and his 5 year old son in that helicopter crash but I tend to rely on the BBc site.
Dave

It appears that Colin McRae's agent has confirmed that McRae was on board and killed in the crash; various aviation sources have confirmed that the helicopter that went in was the one McRae owned.

It's been suggested that his son plus two others (one adult, one child) were on board at the time also, although no source for that information has been stated.
Guest

I'd imagine it wasn't a pretty site considering they cant tell how many people were on board. Quite a kick in the balls hearing this news about someone I have watched on TV since I was about 10 years old
Dave

Not a cause for AMS, but how about this for coincidence?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6997784.stm
Guest

Giovanni Lavafiume wrote:
Good old Mrs. Reagan!

01.] Brooke Astor........X.
02.] Phyllis A. Whitney........
03.] Charlton Heston........
04.] Gloria Stuart........
05.] Ariel Sharon........
06.] Jane Wyman........X.
07.] Karl Malden........
08.] Richard Widmark........
09.] Kirk Douglas........
10.] Michael Foot........
11.] Fidel Castro........
12.] Michael Gough........
13.] Googie Withers........


Damn, I feel my lead is withering away.
Giovanni Lavafiume

The original forum is really dying a slow and agonising death.
Dave

We tried to warn them, Gio, we did try...

Part of me thinks that they're probably glad that we've departed, although where that leaves the forum is another matter. It's astonishing how within the space of 18 months the forum has reached a point where there are topics from a month ago still on the front page.

While the days when you could go on the site to discover that topics from a couple of hours before had slipped onto page 2 were never going to return, the current situtation is an appalling indictment of the way in which the forum moderators have carried out their task. The foro remained lively even after footie ceased to be on the Channel, but now...

Giovanni Lavafiume

Amos from Emmerdale

Did Amos not get a mention on this thread?
Dave

As in Ronald McGill? I don't think he did.
Dave

Marcel Marceau, the mime artist has died.

I suppose a minute's extremely loud noise would be the best means of paying respect to him. Either that or poncing about pretending to be trapped behind a sheet of glass.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7009189.stm
verno

I didn't mime somebody carking it yesterday. No, that would be in extremely poor taste.
Giovanni Lavafiume

Surprisingly no mention in the obits of his radio show. Was a bit of a flop apparently.
Dave

Although it did very well when it was up against the Now Show for a short period. Won over several of that show's listeners, who thought that Marceau's approach to satire was much more amusing.
Dave

Lois Maxwell, actress most famous for playing Moneypenny in the James Bond films.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7020553.stm


Not sure whether to make the appalling pun in tribute to the deceased based upon You Only Live Twice or Live and Let Die, so I'll let someone else take the first crack at it....
Giovanni Lavafiume

Doctor, no.
blackandblue

'Tomorrow never...'. Oh.
Dave

And she could've chosen to die another day, I suppose....
Dave

Ned Sherrin, creator of That Was the Week That Was, and host of Radio 4's Loose Ends, aged 76.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6705385.stm
Guest

Al Oerter (USA), who won gold medals in four straight Olympic Games in the Discus Throw, has died today. He was 71-years-old.
Curva Fiesole

Ronnie Hazlehurst, composer of classics such as the themes to Yes Minister and Blankety Blank, has died aged 79.

Bet the music at his funeral will be a hoot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7023501.stm
VB

Joe Mitty – founder of the Oxfam charity shop that was first set up in 1949.
Dave

Alan Coren

Satirist, former editor of Punch magazine and stalwart of The News Quiz, aged 69.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7052510.stm
Dels

Deborah Kerr.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7051206.stm
Giovanni Lavafiume

Alan Coren is a real loss. Will miss his remarks about Germans on the News Quiz.
Guest

Joey Bishop the last of the Rat Pack.aged 89
Guest

Paul Warfield Tibbets Jr, the commander of the plane that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, aged 92.
zeds

Lecce's kit manager, Antonio De Giorgi who was struck by lightning and killed at the end of the their training session yesterday.
blackandblue

I don't think I can remember losing so many of my colleagues at one time. I'm not in the same brigade but this really hurts...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/7076175.stm
Jay

Nils Liedholm - former player and coach for Milan

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov5k.html
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/articles/liedholmgg.html
Giovanni Lavafiume

The "Baron" was possibly one of Milan's greatest players.

Anyway, back to more important things.

Hilda Braid, who played Nana Moon in Eastenders, has died, aged 78. Wasn't she also in Rentaghost?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7081599.stm
Curva Fiesole

Giovanni Lavafiume wrote:
The "Baron" was possibly one of Milan's greatest players.

Anyway, back to more important things.

Hilda Braid, who played Nana Moon in Eastenders, has died, aged 78. Wasn't she also in Rentaghost?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7081599.stm


She was certainly in Citizen Smith, kept calling Robert Lindsay's character Foxy IIRC
verno

How are you feeling now, bnb ?

Norman Mailer - author, 6 - time husband and scrapper.
blackandblue

I'm cool, Verno, though it's amazing how the Sun and other trash tabloids which demonised us a couple of years ago as pool playing, sleeping on the job, uncaring, greedy and workshy suddenly seem to think we are heroes now . Gosh, I just can't work it out.

House is great. We seem to have friends over every weekend. But the missus is getting up herself. Just because we have a few trees down the end of our lovely big garden she wants the house to have a name. Bit naff/middle class for my liking. And she's from Essex/East London! I just want a 'sit on' lawnmower !
Giovanni Lavafiume

Evel Knievel, motorcycle stuntman, aged 69.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7122258.stm
Dave

Didn't spot this at first - Don't give the house a name, bnb.

It's now regarded as 'frightfully aspirant chav' in the circles where naming your house was once de rigeur for social respectability.

I've just made that up, but.

1. Use your admin privileges to edit this post so that everything after 'respectabiliy' disappears.

2. Summon the missus to the computer and show here this message.

3. Tell her I know what I'm talking about (this may be the really hard part, as my observation is based on a conversation with a cavalry officer), and that her desire to name the house will mark her out as a someone who will put on a large amount of weight, start wearing pink leggings and call her children 'Chlamidya' and 'Mourinho' and who is therefore merely an petit bourgeois arrivisté with whom one simply should not socialise.

That do the job for you?

By the way, is it true that Kenevil's funeral will involve firing the coffin into the grave from a large cannon, over a line of 15 London buses?
Curva Fiesole

That's me up to 2 now - I need a strong December again like last year if I'm to retain my title.  Someone turn Thatcher's heating off!

1. Fidel Castro
2. Ariel Sharon
3. Michael Foot
4. Margaret Thatcher
5. Kirk Douglas
6. Ronnie Biggs
7. Charlton Heston
8. Zsa Zsa Gabor
9. Charlie Watts
10. Evel Knievel  x
11. Lady Bird Johnson  x
12. Harold Pinter
13. Gary Glitter
Giovanni Lavafiume

Presumably the actor Anton Rogers wasn't on anyone's list. He's gone onto fresh fields.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article2993905.ece
ForzaFiori

Ike Turner, musician and infamous wife-beater has passed on.
Dave

Hopefully this isn't a racing cert for next year's totodeath, but it would be unfair of me not to point out that Terry Pratchett has been diagnosed with a rare form of Alzheimer's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7141458.stm

It would be equally unfair not to point out that Charlton Heston was diagnosed with the same generic condition several years ago and has gamely frustrated everyone who's put him on their totodeath list every season since...
blackandblue

One of my all time favourite authors. Haven't read the latest yet because I'm a tight git and will wait until it reaches the library. He's got enough money anyway.

Reading 'The Black Dahlia' by James Elroy at the moment.
Guest

J. Russell Coffrey, one of three known remaining US veterans of WWI, aged 109.
verno

blackandblue wrote:

Reading 'The Black Dahlia' by James Elroy at the moment.

Are you enjoying it ?  Great book, shite film.
Have you read any other Ellroy stuff ? I heartily recommend American Tabloid & L.A Confidential.
blackandblue

verno wrote:

Are you enjoying it ?  Great book, shite film.
Have you read any other Ellroy stuff ? I heartily recommend American Tabloid & L.A Confidential.


Finished it. It was ok. I haven't seen the film but I thought LA Confidential was excellent, so I might try the book.

Here in Milan at the mo' waiting for the Derby (wish us luck ). As a 'treat' Michael Bolton was live in the Piazza Duomo last night. Great atmosphere but he can't sing Sinatra for toffee!
blackandblue

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7161590.stm.

Can't believe no-one saw this coming...
Guest

Yes Benazir Bhutto bad bad news
Giovanni Lavafiume

If a year ago I'd known she was to return to Pakistan I'd've put her first on my list. Not a good thing this.
Guest

Giovanni Lavafiume wrote:
If a year ago I'd known she was to return to Pakistan I'd've put her first on my list. Not a good thing this.


I put Thaksin Shinawatra on my list. If he returned to Thailand, he'd be risking a lot.
Dave

Spookily, I was thinking about my totodeath 2008 list earlier today, and Bhutto was going to be on it. Typical - the only one I get right all year, and it was pre-empted. Bah!
Dave

Totodeath 2008

As 2007 draws to a close, it is probably worth giving a quick reprise of the Totodeath rules.

1. Choose 13 celebrities/famous people who you suspect will be making acquaintances with the grim reaper during the period 0001 hours 1 January 2008 aand 2359 hrs 31 December 2008, and list them here.

2. The winner of this tasteful tournament is the person who scores the highest number of famous fatalities in the calandar year.

3. Coupons may not include any of the 'Last Tommies', the small band of First World War Veterans who are still with us. Although the term 'Tommies' is employed here, this covers surviving WW1 veterans of all nations. The poor s*ds have had enough to put up with without being listed on coupons.

4. If a coupon is submitted prior to 1 Jan 2008 and one of the nominated celebrities dies in 2007, a new name may be submitted in lieu of the recently departed nominee.

5. If a celebrity's imminent demise is announced (along the lines of 'the King's life  is drawing peacefully to its close'), the celebrity may not be included on a totodeath coupon submitted after the announcement.

6. Use of celebrity deathwatch type sites will be frowned upon by totodeath purists.

7. Taking active measures to increase your totodeath score is strictly forbidden, and will result in disqualification from the tournament.

8. The prize for victory in the totodeath tournament is to be crowned as 'Foro Angel of Death 2008'.

9. Members of the PC Brigade are asked to note that this competition is a spot of (macabre) fun. If you don't like it, don't participate. [/list]
Guest

Dave wrote:
Totodeath 2008
7. Taking active measures to increase your totodeath score is strictly forbidden, and will result in disqualification from the tournament.


Haha!

Only three days to hold on now, and I will be the Master of Death!
Mezz

Phil O'Donnell, captain of Motherwell, collapsed on the pitch this afternoon during his team's game against Dundee United and later died in hospital.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f...ll/teams/m/motherwell/7164150.stm
Guest

Well, if I'm not mistaken, I am officially Totodeath Champion for 2007 with a winning score of three - Ingmar Bergman, Boris Yeltsin, and Lady Bird Johnson.

I also offer my deepest sympathies to those who lost loved ones in the year 2007 and wish you all, and your families and friends, the safest, happiest, and most prosperous 2008.
Curva Fiesole

Beats my 2 Bracey, so I hereby pass my crown onto you, Foro Angel of Death 2007.

Well done
Giovanni Lavafiume

Many congratulations Foro Angel of Death.
Giovanni Lavafiume

Here is my 2008 selection. Now come on you buggers! Die!

01.] Ernest Borgnine........
02.] Phyllis A. Whitney........
03.] Charlton Heston........
04.] Gloria Stuart........
05.] Ariel Sharon........
06.] Eli Wallach........
07.] Karl Malden........
08.] Richard Widmark........
09.] Kirk Douglas........
10.] Michael Foot........
11.] Fidel Castro........
12.] Michael Gough........
13.] Googie Withers........
Dave

George MacDonald Fraser

Author of the Flashman stories and 'Quartered Safe Out Here', aged 82, according to BBC breaking news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7169047.stm
Giovanni Lavafiume

He was a brilliant author who researched his material meticulously. Anyone here read any of his works?
Duncan!

Too busy reading "Green Eggs and Ham"
blackandblue

Giovanni Lavafiume wrote:
He was a brilliant author who researched his material meticulously. Anyone here read any of his works?


Yeah, I read them. Thought they were great. I learnt more about history through Flashman than any lesson at school. I read someone's comment on his books that they stopped reading them because Flashman never got his comeuppance. I don't think he got the point !
Guest

Right, as defending champion, I feel I ought to keep my formidable lineup in relative tact. I've assembled a cracking squad, just a few additions in this transfer window, but sadly we had to say 'farewell' to some of them just the same. Apologies for this late submission:

1. Kirk Douglas
2. Fidel Castro
3. Michael Foot
4. Betty Ford
5. Ken Dodd
6. Gough Whitlam
7. Ariel Sharon
8. Osama Bin Laden
9. Nelson Mandela
10. Dame Vera Lynn
11. Bill Brown (the last living person to have played in the same test team as Don Bradman)
12. Elizabeth Taylor
13. Malcolm Allison
Dave

1. Charlton Heston
2. Fidel Castro
3. Michael Foot
4. Harold Pinter
5. Denis Healey
6. Olivia De Havilland
7. Ariel Sharon
8. Robert Mugabe
9. Gore Vidal
10. Dame Vera Lynn
11. Peter O'Toole
12. Eric Hobsbawm *
13. Corin Redgrave

* Dave's annual nomination designed to keep the nominee in rude health for at least 12 months
Curva Fiesole

1. Fidel Castro
2. Ariel Sharon
3. Michael Foot
4. Margaret Thatcher
5. Kirk Douglas
6. Ronnie Biggs
7. Charlton Heston
8. Zsa Zsa Gabor
9. Britney Spears
10. Russel Watson
11. Vera Lynn
12. Harold Pinter
13. Bobby Robson
Guest

Interesting lists, I must say.

I did give serious thought to Britney Spears and Bobby Robson.
Dave

Likewise - but Spears will probably be placed in a padded cell before too long and kept alive, and I couldn't quite bring myself to nominate Sir Bobby as my 'guaranteed to be kept alive for another year as a result of nomnination' candidate.
Sir George

Great to be back on the hottest site around for Italian football chat.  Haven't followed it recently actually, but hoping to see Gazza in the televised match on Sunday.

Here are my nominations:

1). Ronnie Biggs
2)  Tony Blair
3)   Lionel Blair
4)   Michael Foot
5)   Margaret Thatcher
6)  Gore Vidal
7)  Kirk Douglas
  Vera Lynn
9)  Britney Spears  
10)  Pete Docherty
11)  Bobby Robson
12)  Fidel Castro
13)  Peter Ridsdale
Curva Fiesole

Mezz will be so pleased!!

Welcome to our little site but behave yourself, as Dave has site admin powers!
Sir George

Mezz is a fine member of the forum and deserves all the respect he gets.  Oh, the powers of the Site Admin!!

Great news about Dave.  It's about time that boy was given the responsibility his talent demands.
blackandblue

Sir George wrote:

Here are my nominations:

1). Ronnie Biggs
2)  Tony Blair
3)   Lionel Blair
4)   Michael Foot
5)   Margaret Thatcher
6)  Gore Vidal
7)  Kirk Douglas
  Vera Lynn
9)  Britney Spears  
10)  Pete Docherty
11)  Bobby Robson
12)  Fidel Castro
13)  Peter Ridsdale


They're not nominations, they're part of a 'wish list'!
Mezz

Ah, Sir 'Thrush' (otherwise known as the irritating c**t) has finally managed to find us.

Only took about four months to work out the impenetrably cryptic messages on how to get here too.

Clever boy.
Dave

Good to see you, George.
Myles

George, I see you saw the thread in the other forum before they deleted it. Mezz (though he probably won't admit it) had left a reply to your last post asking where we'd all gone to.
Curva Fiesole

Sir John Harvey Jones has died after a long illness.  Long perhaps, but not very well publicised to those compiling their Totodeath lists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7182117.stm
Mezz

Myles wrote:
Mezz (though he probably won't admit it) had left a reply to your last post asking where we'd all gone to.


If you look at the last post in the La Liga thread on this very forum, you'll see that I confessed all about my lapse of judgement.

I'm just a sucker for a fool, see?

Myles

Oh yeah....the thorn bush lashing!
Dave

Sir Edmund Hillary

First man to reach the top of Everest (or at least known to have got there), aged 88.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7182376.stm
Guest

Fittingly late,

1. Margaret Thatcher
2. Fidel Castro
3. Kirk Douglas
4. Nelson Mandela
5. Jimmy Carter
6. Charlton Heston
7. George H.W. Bush
8. Michael Foot
9. Mickey Rooney
10. Liza Minelli
11. Claude Levi-Strauss
12. Gil Merrick
13. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Oh, and welcome back George, I see you've been even less committed to this haven of Italian football chit-chat than I.
DP

Brad Renfro, troubled child star of films such as The Client, Ghost World and Bully

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2008-01-16/
Curva Fiesole

Bobby Fischer, former world chess champion and former citizen of US has died, aged 64.  Another one who is now reported as having been ill for some time - why is this reported after they die?  Makes it so hard to assemble a credible Totodeath squad!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7195840.stm[/url]
Guest

I know none of you probably care, but some people would call this sick
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