Ok, I think we didnt talk about it...now new trial is started so I think Moratti is nervous as things will be different.

After months and years of investigation there is no fixed matches or any evidence so now it will be back to civil court. Moggi tried to influence on refs like Meani and other people from various clubs but they didnt manage to do it. However it was used to stop Moggi and prevent Juve - Milan domination in calcio.

It is important to say that Montezemolo ( FIAT director) banned Juve for going to civil court in which we would win trial and stop f**king league for year. But he just wanted to remove Moggi and to sacrifice club in order to invest more in Ferrari.

But now Inter will be stripped of stolen titles and more, Moratti will be on the bech about falsifying documents, spying people, arranging bank accounts.

Of course Milan and Juventus will lead it as it is time for rats to be back where they belong.

In fact Elkans destroyed Moggi but now it looks like things will turn...

So basically Mensa FC will try to avoid bigger penalty but first

MORATTI AND TROVERA WILL RISK JAIL ( hope they will finish behind bars )...probably money will be paid to short senctence and also will try to prolong justice as long as possible.

So whole 2008. will be at civil court but justice will be done at the end.

So rats would prepare their holes as they will have to find place to hide...

See you.

drughi, i did briefly mention this on the salas thread but i agree, theres apparently a queue of people lining up tp testify against moratti and also the head of the phone company.

hopefully justice will be done.

Drughi wrote:

Ok, I think we didnt talk about it...now new trial is started so I think Moratti is nervous as things will be different. After months and years of investigation there is no fixed matches or any evidence so now it will be back to civil court. Moggi tried to influence on refs like Meani and other people from various clubs but they didnt manage to do it. However it was used to stop Moggi and prevent Juve - Milan domination in calcio. It is important to say that Montezemolo ( FIAT director) banned Juve for going to civil court in which we would win trial and stop f**king league for year. But he just wanted to remove Moggi and to sacrifice club in order to invest more in Ferrari. But now Inter will be stripped of stolen titles and more, Moratti will be on the bech about falsifying documents, spying people, arranging bank accounts. Of course Milan and Juventus will lead it as it is time for rats to be back where they belong. In fact Elkans destroyed Moggi but now it looks like things will turn... So basically Mensa FC will try to avoid bigger penalty but first MORATTI AND TROVERA WILL RISK JAIL ( hope they will finish behind bars )...probably money will be paid to short senctence and also will try to prolong justice as long as possible. So whole 2008. will be at civil court but justice will be done at the end. So rats would prepare their holes as they will have to find place to hide... See you.

When you say 'it was used to stop Moggi and prevent Juve - Milan domination in calcio', you mean the Calciopoli verdict?

If the Elkanns destoyed Moggi initially, does this mean Moggi will come back into football? Will Moggi go after his enemies now it seems he may be cleaner?

What will happen to Inter? Should they not be punished for architecting our demise?

I mean whole thing was made to stop Moggi by taking over at Juve board. Inter just used fact that part of family decided to remove Moggi. So Moratti was just man that did dirty job of spying. Moggi tried to influence refs but he didnt have much success just as Meani from Milan...simply they were declared guilty just in deal by f**king Montezemolo and Moratti as his servant.

I think that calciopoli will be erased by taking our titles back from false champions and also Berlusconi wont miss thing to send Moratti and Provera to jail when he is back to power. Simply, Mensa board and owner are biggest cheaters in Italy and deserve prison...

But Mensa FC is not behind Moggi crush, they are just slaves...

It was Montezemolo and Lapo and other merda from family. In opposite last season Juve would stop Serie A, declared not guilty at civil court and goverment and lega calcio would pay us fortune.

So probably Serie A would be shut till this season.

It will be justice but still I just want our titles back, nothing else...

And of course to see Moratti paying for being just dirty slave.

I think Montezemolo will escape...

A few days ago I stumbled across a link to a forum where someone had written a lot of information on Calciopoli, and it basically said what you're saying here Drughi.

After the the sentences were handed out I've always felt injustice at them, and I have been convinced that Inter were behind it.  The Telecom Italia links always seemed to be be more than coincidence to me, and the fact no matches were proven to be fixed destroys the common match fixing theory.

I also read that Berlusconi got Milan out of trouble by threatening to withdraw TV money for the league.  Their involvement was apparently a lot worse than made out at the time, but Berlusconi's power saved them.

I'd like nothing better than to see Massimo Moratti behind bars.
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Forza Juve!!!

No way, Moratti is clean and a really fair and decent guy and Inter are deserved champs

Oh, and pigs really do fly

Duncan! wrote:

No way, Moratti is clean and a really fair and decent guy and Inter are deserved champs Oh, and pigs really do fly

 

The Moon landing was faked!!!!!!!  9/11 was setup by the Us government!! etc etc.

whats that? is that bitter i smell?

No you smell shit from Moratti underwear...

Or you just got hands shaked with Zingaro Merda Ibra...so wash it...

Drughi wrote:

No you smell shit from Moratti underwear...

Wahey.

If the alegations i've read are true then won't Milan be relegated to Serie Z, Inter relegated to Serie B, Montezemolo jailed or shot by a Juventino, Juve given compensation, the triade acquited and probably back at Juve and our current sorry excuse of a triade (Secco, Coboli and Blanc) given a barring order from getting within a million miles of La Vecchia Signora.

Is there a new going to be a new trial?

If so, will the trial have real lawyers that don't have vested interests in FIAT/Ferrari SpA or Inter?

Are there any articles online from reports or newspapers that can give us background information, as well as current info?

Is La Gazzetta covering any of this?  Or another source?

I'd prefer stuff in english, but Italian is ok too.

JuventinoNYC wrote:

Are there any articles online from reports or newspapers that can give us background information, as well as current info? Is La Gazzetta covering any of this?  Or another source? I'd prefer stuff in english, but Italian is ok too.

This link is working again: http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23009

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I sent the following email to the guy that started that thread:
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Hi,

I found your email address at this link: http://superdhepoetz.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html and i think i saw it on the juventuz.com forum before that was closed down yesterday.

Anyway, i was just wondering if you know if there will be a new trial that will include presentations about Moratti's and Montezemolo's involvement in getting Juve demoted in order to enhance their vested interests in Inter and Ferrari respectively?

Also, if there is going to be a new trial, will the lawyers, judges and prosecutors have connections to Inter, Fiat and Telecom Italia or will they be 'impartial'?

Thanks, regards,
Myles
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This was the reply:
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Hey Myles,

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If you want to find out the truth about manipulated evidence, investigator suicides, and the role Inter played in the scandal to go to www.facebook.com and create an account (it’s free) and join the group called Calciopoli or Falsopoli; The Truth Behind The Trial That Crippled Juventus found here http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4407899177. It’s all free and I use it to centralize information and respond to questions.
To answer your questions, yes trials are set to take place that have Inter management trembling. The court system that Inter corrupted was the Italian Sports Tribunal but all appeals are now taking place in civil court (Italy) and the European Court of Commerce. They range from class action appeals for the effects of the unlawfulness of the initial trials to personal appeals (Moggi, De Santis) to the re-opening of Calciopoli in Civil Court by League President Matarrese.

Montezemolo's role will likely not land him in legal trouble because he knew of what was occurring and insisted that Juventus not defend itself in Civil Court, but he committed no real crime. It would not shock me if he was eventually forced to step down at FIAT however. As far as men like Moratti and Tronchetti, their money will likely come in handy to pay off the multiple fines they are set to face and being forced to step away from soccer is a likely occurance as well. Security Managers from Telecom Italia have already been arrested for illegal espionage and evidence tampering. Their names are Giuliano Tavarolli and Fabio Ghioni and they have already agreed to testify against Tronchetti and Moratti for having made the orders. The charges are criminal charges but the two (Tronchetti and Moratti) are vital to the Italian economy and jail is just unrealistic (in Italy wealth speaks volumes over justice). Tronchetti however has already stepped down as Telecom Chairman after the arrests of his managers. Now Carlo Buare (Inter VP and head of La Gazzetta dello Sport) sits on the Telecom board alongside Moratti.

In addition to the Farsopoli trials, Inter faces the very real accounting fraud trial later this year along with Milan that could see their (our) title stripped from them based on the fact that the team was illegally registered for Serie A that year (and others).

Thanks for your interest and I hope this helps,

Hopefully I'll see your comments online somewhere. FORZA JUVE 29!
Giuseppe
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Does anyone know when this new trial starts?

To be honest I'm at the end of my tether with Italian football.  I only want to watch a fair game of football and all the crap that goes on in between is getting boring.  I know it happens in other countries too but it seems a shame that for someone who would be glued to the TV when any football was on like myself, I'm now not bothering to watch very much and rarely check results.

Giancarlo wrote:

To be honest I'm at the end of my tether with Italian football.  I only want to watch a fair game of football and all the crap that goes on in between is getting boring.  I know it happens in other countries too but it seems a shame that for someone who would be glued to the TV when any football was on like myself, I'm now not bothering to watch very much and rarely check results.

Hear, hear!

I've become disillusioned with the lot. A few years ago, I was a die-hard, obsessive, committed fan. Now it seems to be one screw-up after another - violence, match-fixing, unfit stadia - what next?

It will take a makeover of massive proportions to rekindle my interest in the Italian game.

Myles, I think it will start at end of the month...

Well people, I am disillusioned with people that lead Juve, with fans approach but it is clear that farsical calciopoli killed football. Now you have refs as amateurs, every round you will see mistakes likes in Serie D...

It is circus, you have people like Collina merda acting as clowns and our club agreed to take part in comedy...

I think chance is missed with civil court ( Montezemolo will burn in hell for it ) to stop soccer and maybe clean this game...

Now it is late...police and moron fans, corrupted refs, titles that are won by spying people...

We are second class league at the moment.